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Can democracy survive George W. Bush? : Comments
By Jan De Pauw, published 19/1/2007President George W. Bush's legacy is far from inconsequential, but far from detrimental - his tenure as a 'war president' may even help invigorate democracy.
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Posted by Cowboy Joe, Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:18:23 AM
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6355412,00.html
kind of shows Cheney's arrogant attitude again and again. Fact is, if people stopped talking to anyone who has made outrageous statements as Iran has, then there would be alot more fighting. I remind you that Clinton sat down with Arafat and got a long way, despite Arafat's past history. People skills matter in politics! History has shown that the US can't run its foreign policy anymore, by simply threatening to bomb the heejeebies out of some place. Its a dismal failure. Yes, lots of countries nominally put their name down to support George's war, after lots of diplomatic pressure etc. Those who refused, as some European countries did, were not exactly treated nicely. Lots of flawed intelligence was used too. A country like the US, who claims to be a world leader, should at least have halfway intelligent leaders. History shows that George and Dick have so far been dismal failures. Most Americans now agree with that. Just look at the polls. Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 24 January 2007 9:27:01 AM
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Cowboy - sure, there's a lot of nations on that list.
How many are committing substantial numbers of troops to actual combat, aside from the US and the UK? Yes the US is the world superpower - they need people to back them up so they don't look appear to be alone in Iraq - even if it's a token effort at assistance. Why wouldn't these nations, if it means buying some favour with the US at little cost? (If Australia was really in this war, don't you think we'd have had some combat fatalities by now? I'm not saying this is a bad thing, on the contrary, but it is a relevant point.) In any case, I have digressed from the central topic here, which as I see it, is whether or not the checks and balances of the US system of government are sufficient. To Cowboy Joe and Col... I ask your views as to how much latitude the US administration should have? What is going "too far" in the following issues: Legal: i.e. The US justice system was founded on precepts such as trial by jury and habeus corpus. These have been jettisoned by the Bush administration. Is this acceptable in the 'war on terror' and if so, who should decide if it's acceptable? Should they be scrutinised by other institutions? General policy: i.e. How should other institutions be able to curb the actions of a president in the event a president is acting outside the constitution? What institutions should decide this? How can it be ensured they are not pawns of those in power? Corruption: The US administration is often perceived as a 'revolving door' between corporate industries and high positions in the executive. Should there be requirements to prevent individuals such as Dick Cheney, who has had strong ties to Halliburton (who are no longer operating in Iraq and have been widely criticised) being in a position where they can promote these corporations? I'm curious as to the views of those who favour the approach used by the Bush administration in these areas. Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Thursday, 25 January 2007 11:48:13 AM
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TLTR
“The US justice system” is overseen by the US Supreme Court who sits as a separate authority outside of the President / Administration , The Congress or the Senate. “What institutions should decide this” I thought Congress does decide and when needed, has impeached Presidents. The Congressional committee on oversight and reform, as its name suggests, oversees. It always amazes me that people see USA and the see GWB and think, pretty much that is it, ignoring the other institutions, federal and state and county which comprise the bureaucracy of USA. Just the same as Australians do not vote just for John Howard versus whoever the opposition tries to stand against him, the US electoral cycle does not simply evolve around who will be the President. I always step back from suggesting a US president is going too far, I think Americans are in a far better position to decide that for themselves, it is, after all their taxes and their forces who the president is going too far with. Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 25 January 2007 1:28:24 PM
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Col... I take your point about other institutions, but the fact of the matter was that checks and balances are only as effective as the people enforcing them.
As I recall, the supreme court found that a great deal of what was going on at Guantanamo was unconstitutional. And yet... little seems to have changed. Bush was given a rap over the knuckles. That was about it. Were it not for the fact that the democrats are now gaining influence, I rather suspect there would be little change at all. Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Thursday, 25 January 2007 2:21:38 PM
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Joe, How many today?
Col. Step back. US election doesn't revolve around the President? Get real. Posted by RobbyH, Saturday, 27 January 2007 2:00:57 PM
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Albania
Angola
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Azerbaijan
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All self appointed or is that a contradiction?