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Mulrunji Doomadgee - we deserve to know the facts : Comments

By Selwyn Johnston, published 20/12/2006

If this unholy mess is not sorted out in very short order there will be a lot of disappointed if not angry people about.

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The case reported in the Coroner's report where Hurley ran over the Indigenous woman on Palm Island resulting in her broken foot and where he observed her complaint but didn't even get out of his police vehicle but drove off. Were any investigations carried out or was Hurley charged with leaving the scene of the accident. If not why not? Put yourself in that same situation as a driver and see what would happen to you?

Given these facts what do you suggest is done from here? Do you understand that justice is not being seen to be done? Can you in your bias at least admit that...after all I've relented and accepted your view that in a properly conducted jury trial the evidence probably cannot convict Hurley.

If you think the only punishment we as a society can mete out is through our courts you are sadly mistaken. Do you want an example? Remember Joh...he was financially ruined by the results of the Fitzgerald Inquiry and the subsequent court actions. The odious stench from all the exposures at that inquiry stuck to him too. Oh and our courts found him innocent.

So come on give us a situation and hel[p initiate some action where justice can be seen to be done.

Or would you prefer to have a serving senior police office that is found responsible of an arrested person’s death by a Coroner and in a future civil action continuing to 'serve' the Queensland People. And you know as well as I that on the nature of the proof required in such an action...on the balance of probabilities... Hurley will be found responsible. I wonder just how angry the people of Queensland will become when they realise they too will be held responsible, because of both the inaction of their Government and their involvement in the aberration of Justice that has occurred in the last three months.

Keith Kennelly
Posted by keith, Monday, 1 January 2007 1:20:17 PM
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Jolanda wrote:

What a load of crock that better 100 guilty persons go free then one innocent man go to jail.

What about the innocent victims of the guilty persons, now and in the future? When you set them free you re-victimise victims in a manner that destroys them as human beings and they never feel safe, respected or free.

One innocent man going to jail would be better than 100 guilty men going free.

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Unless you are that one inncocent person...

Why stop at one inncoent person in one hundred, why not two in a hundred, ten in a hundred? How about mere suspicion? Change the system to guilty until proven innocent?

Corrupt police would love that, it means that they would not have to do their job properly.

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Keith - an apology - my post should have been aimed at Frank Gol, not you, even though you are quoted.
Posted by Hamlet, Monday, 1 January 2007 2:46:37 PM
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Keith wrote:

"Therein lays most people's horror at the DPP unilateral declaration of Hurley's innocence."

Keith, the DPP did not declare Hurley as being innocent, the DPP said that there was insufficient evidence to reach a conviction.

The two are very different.
Posted by Hamlet, Monday, 1 January 2007 2:49:18 PM
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Hamlet, you rise to only one of my challenges for evidence of your allegations against OLO posters. You don’t attempt to justify your initial claim that many suggested "that the cop should simply be found guilty without a trial". Because you can’t.

On your second claim, I asked you to identify which posts advocated the abandonment of the rule of law. You cited 4 alleged instances.

The 1st said: “The rally will insist that DPP Clare be replaced with someone who will act on the evidence in front of them, and who will bring criminal charges 'of the highest order' against S/Sgt Hurley.” To which you added your own words: “(even if evidence doesn’t support these?)” Acting on the evidence and bringing criminal charges equals abandonment of the rule of law?

The 2nd said: “I would argue… it would be better to have this matter heard by a criminal court regardless of the lack of evidence,” To which you added your own words: “(It is fundamental that an accused not be brought before a court unless there is evidence).” To which I add: Having a matter heard by a criminal court allows the evidence to be tested and rejected if insufficient.

The 3rd said: “The injuries suffered did not result from a fall. How were they sustained is the question. Claire didn't answer that. The Coroner did. The bulling b.....d is as guilty as sin.” To which you added your own words: “(A trial isn’t necessary – he is guilty?)” A strong opinion on a person’s guilt does not amount to abandonment of the rule of law.

The 4th said: “I agree that there should be a right to silence at the beginning, snip, but it shouldn't extend to the degree and level that it does now.” To which you added: “(Or should the right to silence being abolished, or the silent presumed to be guilty?)” Disquiet with the right to silence does not amount to abandonment of the rule of law.

Now can we get back to the real agenda about justice without manipulating and misrepresenting other posts?
Posted by FrankGol, Monday, 1 January 2007 3:57:09 PM
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Hall,

This is getting to be a bit tedious now. You are obviously running out arguments to support you irrational and biased views on the case at hand - as well as trying to salvage some respectability after having revealing your deeply embedded racism for Aboriginal people.

From my reading of the submission to the coroner and from the investigation reports there were a number of witnesses to the physical interaction between Hurley and Mulrunji. A court of law and its jury would assess assess the actions and motivations surrounding these interactions and thus the application of force upon Mulrunji.

“The fatal injuries could not have been caused by a simple fall”.

Such a conclusion does not disallow for charges not to be pressed. This is why a review is now being conducted.

The DPP publically stated that she sought and received further evidence- evidence she did not pass on the lawyers of Mulrunji’s family.
What was this evidence? What was this other mysterious evidence that inflicted fatal injuries to Mulrunji?
Would you accept this is it were your brother who died but because the only explanation given credence by the DPP was that it was it was by ‘accident’.
Was there a meeting between the DPP and Hurley’s lawyers? Are not these essential questions that a transparent system of justice should address forthwith?
But for you Mr Hall, its appears these outstanding matters are inconsequential.

• My thanks to others who have shared to burden here of trying to grow a brain and a sense of social justice in this buffoon. Despite the laborious effort required I still believe in miracles.
Posted by Rainier, Tuesday, 2 January 2007 11:13:45 AM
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Oops I accidently first posted this somewhere else:

I don’t buy the concern about the innocent man in jail because black people have been the victims of injustices for years without too much concern from the white man.

In the real reality of White man’s law the 100 guilty men that will be freed will probably be white and the innocent man in jail will be black.
Posted by Jolanda, Tuesday, 2 January 2007 11:27:55 AM
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