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Moral responsibility and citizenship : Comments

By Helen Irving, published 22/12/2006

Citizenship does not make a person virtuous, and being a non-citizen does not make a person morally suspect.

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Horus,

Can you please enlighten your readers: exactly how do "multitudes of career-minded judges & politicians...commit us to UN covenants & use them openly, or surreptiously if necessary, as templates for legislation & decisions"?

When I last looked at the process, only the Australian government could commit us to UN covenants and only the Autralian government could use covenants as templates for Australian legislation & decisions. Has something changed?

What on earth is the connection you are drawing between the UN's role in Sudan and the claim that the UN is overly influential in Australian policy and legislation?
Posted by FrankGol, Saturday, 30 December 2006 10:34:53 PM
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For RobbyH

I try to remain optimistic by reminding myself that not everyone creates their own reality with words.

Hopefully, there will still be some palatable form of freedom and a democratic future if the majority of Australians can train themselves to objectively observe reality and then describe what exists with words.
Posted by Cowboy Joe, Saturday, 30 December 2006 11:42:38 PM
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Hooray for Horus

My suggestions for Horus.

First (or first in this century) war was declared on the infidels by the tall, bearded rich man on Al Jazeera TV. But the left wing media didn't see a brass razoo in the story and the news wasn't relevant to me because I only value pop or rap culture, plus Clinton was in office so the world was all safe and fuzzy wuzzy.

Second they bombed the Bali night spot. But I had been to Bali too, got Bali Belly and had no intention of visiting again.

Then they bombed the London bus. But I'm Australian and everybody loves Australians since we are so highly evolved compared to those gun loving, uncouth, uneducated Americans, therefore I felt safe, relaxed and comfortable (who said that?).
Posted by Cowboy Joe, Sunday, 31 December 2006 12:14:49 AM
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Cowboy Joe, all well and good, but it wasn't the Iraqis. They got the wrong man.
Posted by VK3AUU, Sunday, 31 December 2006 6:02:17 AM
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Dear Horus,

Enjoy the world from your high security mansion. Crowded in there?

Your response is demonstrative of why there is so much wrong today. It's all about me, myself and I isn't it? Sneer at those widows and orphans while you are able.

What do you do when the chardonnay runs out? Will you trust anyone to deliver? Will you dare venture out and risk contact with those widows and orphans? I see a dilemma mate.

Cowboy Joe,

Are you willing to take action to try and ensure that hope? That freedon which is rapidly disappearing? You can you know, I just hope you are not too soured by society and life to remain on the sidelines. I know how easy it is to stay there, hoping things will change. For me they didn't, and haven't. They just continue to deteriorate and I have had enough, as Peter Finch screamed out the News window long ago.

If you can help just say and I'll give you an email address for further discussion.
Posted by RobbyH, Sunday, 31 December 2006 9:38:15 AM
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Horus, I'm holding my breath (still) and can't let go until you answer - or are you sqibbing it?

Can you please enlighten your readers: exactly how do "multitudes of career-minded judges & politicians...commit us to UN covenants & use them openly, or surreptiously if necessary, as templates for legislation & decisions"?

When I last looked at the process, only the Australian government could commit us to UN covenants and only the Autralian government could use covenants as templates for Australian legislation & decisions. Has something changed?

What on earth is the connection you are drawing between the UN's role in Sudan and the claim that the UN is overly influential in Australian policy and legislation?
Posted by FrankGol, Saturday, 30 December 2006 10:34:53 PM
Posted by FrankGol, Sunday, 31 December 2006 10:50:29 AM
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