HRS, Isn't it time you went back to work in the factory? You seem to have lots of idle time on your hands to discuss issues here on OLO with cafe latte lefties.

Oh, i get it you're not a worker, you're one of those middle managers. Not rich enough to own the factory but evil enough to be promoted.

What i find funny here is that you keep running around in circles just like the liberal and labor party do.

Yes we have lost the ability to inform and teach those of right and wrong due to the amounting amounts od policy dictacting everything.

This can be seen in the world today as no respect,discipline and where is this to end, with you all just keep blabbing about it.

Well how about the solution to the problem or this may be too hard to fathom.

As i would have been classed as middle class labor has no interest in me as like with the education/teachers union are they not one of the largest supporters of the labor party.

our children and the people of Australia should be given the rights that are required for moral standing and to be told the truth and not just what the spin doctors and media want you to know.

If you are not told the whole picture how can things be moral.

Email:swulrich@bigpond.net.au
Australian Peoples Party

Havnt heard about it well that is the morals of our media and big business today. Tell you only what they want you to hear and know.

Rainier,
I do know how it must be for teachers.

Having to think of new excuses all the time.
Having to think of what to say to any dissenters.
Having to ignore declining student marks.
Having to ignore the fact that industry can teach and train people as well as, if not better than schools.
Having to noe search through a school for someone to act as a role model for the students, including the janitors and gardeners.
Having to ask for even more of the taxpayer’s money without having to justify it, or even produce better results from the students.

It must be a tough life, and not everyone could do it

HRS,

Anytime you'd like to jump in front of my classroom and teach English literature or Australian industrial history or anything you think you've got a handle on let me know.

Be warned my students can spot a wan-ker a hundred yards away.

But we both know this will never happen so why don't you go back and check the time sheets and productivity levels of those underpaid / overworked people you do "quality control" on.

Why not create another batch of induction video's focusing on the virtues of anal retentive production managers like yourself!

Now there's a thought! :)

HRS,

When you first used terms like “safety” and “risk management”, I thought you were using them in their ordinary English meanings, but later comments show that you mean something entirely different, so it is very difficult to converse with you. However, I will make another attempt.

Classes of more than 30 students might have been common 30 years ago, but I have never in 33 years had even one. In fact, there has been only one full year in which I have had any classes with more than 25 students.

The only school meeting that would have safety as its first item would be health and safety committee's. I can't imagine why safety would be the English meeting 's first item.

You are right to say that teaching is a tough life. Surveys show that the average teacher works a 50-hour week, but is paid for only 38 hours. Teacher pay, compared with average earnings, is more than 25 per cent below 30 years ago. The pupil-teacher ratio in Victorian secondary schools is some 10 per cent worse than 25 years ago. Teaching loads are higher than 20 years ago. Attendance at parent-teacher interviews is worse than 25 years ago. We have to endure evidence-free attacks on our profession on a weekly basis, and are often denied the right to respond. My school receives about $7,000 per student and this is called “throwing money at the problem”. The top private schools charge $20,000 and this is called “investing in your child's future”. We deal with children with all sorts of problems every day. If I had the authority, I would invite you to come and spend a week in my school and see what it is really like.

Comparing industry training programs with school education is invalid because workers are effectively volunteers while students are conscripts, industry has a narrow focus while schools have a broad 'whole-person' focus and the instructor has an authority the teacher can only dream of.

My school played Christmas carols in the second last week of the term - no PC here.

Isnt it good to see all talk from both sides but nothing inbetween.

Just like teachers talk but when i went to ask questions how to solve the problems in schools I couldnt get a word out of them.

So really what type of morality are we showing in schools when the teachers cannot and will not show it themselves.

Must be a union thing.

Cant tell anyone else but the union and labor.

Well come on how about a soulution or am i right and the only way this can be fixed is to make things up and ask parents.

Since teachers are not willing or just to gutless to stand up for what is right.

Just to carry on with garbage and not fix it.

And if you do want to fix it contact me

Email:swulrich@bigpond.net.au
Australian Peoples Party