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Mal monstered at Mutitjulu - any wonder? : Comments

By Graham Ring, published 4/12/2006

Indigenous Australians want a fair go - not presents of beads, mirrors or police stations.

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VK3AUU Hope you weren't wearing dirty boots when you posted that link.

VK3AUU’s message to self: “Must not go to dog park before posting.”

Alf Davis pretty well confirms Graham Ring's article.

Politics/ideology informs VK3AUU’s reading; reality informs Indigenous people’s position towards the Minister for Indigenous Affairs, Mal Brough.

“A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely
rearranging their prejudices.” William James
Posted by ronnie peters, Thursday, 7 December 2006 9:04:02 AM
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Thanks for helping lift the heavy load here Ronnie,

VK3AUU, yes you do know what you're talking about insofar as extrapolating from your limited life experience of these issues and selective news articles you rely on to form an opinion
Posted by Rainier, Thursday, 7 December 2006 5:54:31 PM
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Rainier

You asked for evidence that there is violence aagainst women and youth in Aboriginal communities. It is in my first post, simply click on the hyperlinks.

Are you saying that the ABC footage was concocted?

What about the notorious case of the 12 year old boy who was sexually assaulted. Not unusual in some communities. Here is a Bulletin article which discusses Mal Brough's tough job and it also refers to the awful treatment of the 12 year old boy.
http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=144640

Is The Bulletin wrong too?

I also referred to the loss and misappropriation of money and assets. The Auditor General (Australian National Audit Office) tabled a number of audit reports in Parlianment which found serious loss of funds and incorrectness in financial reports (including no reports at all). ANAO's audit reports are publically available www.anao.gov.au

Of course you may also believe that the Auditor General is also wrong.
Posted by Cornflower, Friday, 8 December 2006 12:20:16 AM
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Where in my posts have I claimed that violence and abuse do not happen??

What I have been attempting to do is to try to point out how your very narrow minded and distant perspective is informed by the sensationism of the reports you cite.

I’m starting to think you have some kind of cognitive disability as you don’t seem to be able to grasp what I and others are attempting to say to you. Read this sentence again please, its for your own good.

Or is it simply you’re too proud to admit you’re out of your depth?

But lucky for you I’m a patient teacher.

From the beginning:

Do they require our concern? YES Of course they do.

Do they require your biased and reactionary analysis? NO

Will you get out from behind your computer and lend a hand? NO

Will you spend more time trying to understanding and research the history of these issues commensurate with the knowledge one requires to understand its complexities? NO

So why don't you just STFU until you’ve achieved some real knowledge about this issue. If you don’t want to hear it from this Aboriginal person, go out to the communities and hear from others.
Posted by Rainier, Friday, 8 December 2006 8:20:49 AM
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Rainier

Why blame others? Mal Brough is echoing what others say, including the substantial majority of the indigenous community. There is no priority higher than the freedom and safety of people. However that is not the case in some Aboriginal communities where bullies take advantage of their position, strength and customary law to molest and beat the daylights out of women and children and to steal and trash assets provided for the use and betterment of the whole community. They need to be identified and stopped forthwith.

Aboriginal communities are saying the same as the broader community: that women and youth must be able to live and prosper without being sexually abused and beaten.

Some communities can get it right, why not others?

But in any event there has to be acceptance by all Aboriginal men in particular that rape, molestation, theft and murder are serious crimes that should result in jail sentences. Perpetrators are protected in some communities and that is the first reason why the crimes continue to be committed.

How many women come out of hospital only to be felled again that day by a gutless bully? How many kids are neglected? Why?

You cannot absolve the Aboriginal community from taking responsibility. However while many do want to take responsibility for their actions (and there are many examples of success) there are others who do not, because they see advantage in not doing so.

Education is the key, but how can that happen when people live in fear for their lives and bullies smash facilities or convert them to their private use?

Have a look at your own behaviour on this forum. Where is the value in trying to intimidate and humiliate others? It is not about win/lose, it is about getting better understanding and cooperation.
Posted by Cornflower, Friday, 8 December 2006 11:02:18 AM
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Rainier,
WELL SAID.

Cornflower,
while you are on the blame game, what about blaming those who are employed to protect these citizens.

Where the hell are the police? What the hell are they doing to protect these Australians? If you are so concerned why aren't you out there demanding that justice is done.

Why not call on the police, child safety, public servants and others who are paid to uphold the law and protect the vulnerable, to do their jobs. Oops sorry most of them are white and too often saddled with your unfortunate afliction as noted by Rainier.

No one has said that these acts of violence are anything but an abomination or that they don't happen, in fact as noted earlier there are many reports and complaints raised by Aboriginal people and their colleagues - but you and your ilk are so busy blaming Aboriginal people and ignoring others who have been complicit it allowing such dysfunctional systems to exist.

Don't you have access to the news, it is not just Aboriginal people who are committing such abominations. Wasn't there a senior police prosecutor somewhere in Australia that was stood down for similar.

You and your kind are simply part of the problem, for you simply refuse to think - you just parrot away with your little minds the bigotry that has caused such a mess in the first place.

Or to put it another way, did you see that Rolf Harris apologised for his song Tie Me Kangaroo Down. The objectionalbe fact, expecially for your mob, is that when the song was first recorded it demonstrated to the world that Aboriginal slavery was an acceptable and humourous event.
Now you and your mates might be able to inform me when that song was recorded?
Posted by Aka, Friday, 8 December 2006 1:16:46 PM
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