Ronnie Peters,
I am a male but according to many members of the media I am also “violent, sexually abusive, unable to be trusted with children, 'deadbeat dads', commitment phobic and in need of 're-construction'.”

http://www.cnet.ngo.net.au/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=20729 the

Many members of the academic world also want to portay me in this way, but the main reason why so many people in the media and in the academic world want to portray me and other males in this way, is because they can presently make money from it. Some of them even earn a living by portraying males in this way.

The authors of this article also want to portray me as being a murderer, so as a male, I am now “violent, sexually abusive, unable to be trusted with children, 'deadbeat dads', commitment phobic and in need of 're-construction'.”, and a “murderer”.

As a male, I have full rights to resist being classified or portrayed in this way.

My second question to you was “Do you think you could make some money from it?”

If you think that you can make some money by joining this White Ribbon Day campaign, then I think you will be sadly mistaken. Instead, there is the real possibility that the WRD will be asking you to chop off your arm or throw yourself under a bus, to show your complete support for the campaign. If you don’t want to do that, then there is the real possibility that you will be asked to give your money to the WRD, to show your complete support for the campaign.

So I don’t think you will be making any money by joining this insidious, macabre and gender prejudiced campaign.

“You blokes please go to anger-management. There ya’ go girls start whining like the mens’ groups: “Where’s our anger-management programs?” The men are too busy blaming others for their own failures to be constructive.”

“Get into the real world and go to your local cop shop and tell them that they act in a sexist manner. You tell them that, for instance, despite a victim of domestic violence being bashed in gross disproportion to the provocation”RP

“You men attacking BW & BG's article have, ironically, proved the gist of her article correct –that men’s groups aren’t helping with domestic violence, rather they are making things harder for women. Moreover, Happy Bullet et al have proved a further problem which is you all have an agenda that clearly goes way beyond what you profess.”RP

“Maybe that some men’s groups attract disgruntled divorcees looking for payback is the real problem. Care to profile your group.”RP

EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL, funny isn't it when one person accuses another of using the same technique that they are using. I think it's called 'negging' to accuse someone of doing something that they aren't doing. This is manipulation.

Me? I love to analyse and solve puzzles and to understand what is going on, to see the bigger picture.

Sadly according to Erin Pizzey that chance was lost 30 years ago when radical feminists took over the DV industry. So we are already 30 years behind what could have been the most benefical changes to human society for centuries.

I do sleep well, Ronnie Peters.

Posted by dozer, Tuesday, 5 December 2006 2:21:31 PM

[ To Michael Flood: ] "I’m yet to see you challenge JamesH’s comment that the studies which present DV as a male problem suffer far worse methodological problems than those which present DV as gender-neutral."

His claims about the methodology are false. I'll put an example of Flood's enormous whoppers about the methodology from:

http://www.xyonline.net/husbandbattering.shtml

Next to statements made in the author's paper, paying particular attention to the erroneous criticisms section, at:

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/CTS44G.pdf

[Flood] "Firstly, it leaves out important forms of violence, such as sexual assault, choking, suffocating, scratching"
[CTS] "The Physical Assault scale, like all the CTS maltreatment scales, has subscales for less severe acts of violence, such as slapping and throwing things at a partner, and more severe acts such as punching, kicking, and choking. The Sexual Coercion scale has a subscale for insisting, a subscale for threatening, and a subscale for physically forcing sex."

[Flood] "They do not tell us whether they were a single incident, or part of a pattern of violence. They do not tell us whether the act was intended to hurt the other person; a joking kick or a slapped hand are counted the same as a violent kick or blow to the face."
[CTS] "The CTS2 questions are presented in pairs. The first question in the pair asks the respondent to indicate how often they carried out each item in the referent period. The second asks how often the partner carried out each behavior. The response categories ask for the number of times each action occurred during the past year, ranging from "Never" to "More than 20 times." Every scale of the CTS provides data on the frequency of the acts of maltreatment ..."

The things he says the CTS does not measure are actually KEY measurements of the CTS. He's BLATANTLY lying. The CTS has no such methodological flaws.

My original post was ~600 words long and I had to cut it, rest assured there is plenty more B.S. just in the methodological flaws subsection.

Compare the two articles yourself.

Aquiarius,

If you were talking about withholding of reward rather than punishment, then your post makes (slightly) more sense and is, at least, not authoritarian. But you should have said so. "Punishing" is an entirely different concept to "withholding reward." You can't blame me for responding to what you said, even if what you said was different to what you meant.

As for criminality, following from the above, when our society punishes (and this was the concept you expressed) it does so through the criminal law. Hence, while I used the word for the first time, the concept came from your posting.

Anthony

People who are hurt do hurtful things in return. It may be a cliche. Does that lessen it's truth? DV (all violence) is asexual. To give it a sex takes it out of the psychiatric realm and politicizes it. Those who exercise DV ( or any violent behavior) need psychiatric care. Education. They need to learn other (non-violent) methods to use in times of confrontation. Not political empowerment of one sex over the other. Some women behave violently towards other women. Some men behave violently towards other men. Those same individuals regardless of sex act just as violently towards the opposite sex. It's the nature of their behavior, not the nature of their sex.
Violent 4 a : emotionally agitated to the point of loss of self-control <became violent after an insult>.
Becoming emotionally agitated is not an act of sex nor can it be defined by sex. Pointing fingers never solved any issue and creating a defensive atmosphere only contributes to the already "emotionally agitated". If two gays are arguing and one hits the other, how is the blame appointed? Is it by sex or by sexual orientation?

Anthony Merinac
Our society has many forms of punishment. One aspect of the word punishment is -loss that serves as retribution. Punish-to impose a penalty. Crime and criminality are specific sections under social law, not all social law is directed towards criminality. We also punish some distasteful antisocial behavior by not giving it official recognition. We don't outlaw it, ie. gangs.
Why don't you contribute to this thread with your opinion of the topic under review. Pouncing and playing at semantics is so punk man. Disagree with me if that is your honest opinion and I will take no offense. Singling out a word to use to belittle the totality of a statement of opinion is just juvenile. It reflects psychological or intellectual immaturity.