Weirdest bunch of posts I've read in a long time.
You guys are damn good haters, aren't you?
The tenor of many of these posts doesn't make me feel like it'd be safe to express an opposing opinion around some of you.
Men and women suffer at the hands of men and women. If men are often victims of women's violence then they need to follow the feminists lead and start refuges for men and run ad campaigns against DV against men. The "they" you accuse of catering to the feminists are, by and large, feminists themselves. become masculinists and do the same hard yards if you think its so unfair.
The campaigns run against male on female DV, especially on TV are often instigated by the police, having worked on a number. They have told me that the most common call out they get is not robbery or car theft but male to female DV. Challenge them on it, if you think they are lying or propagandists, but it would seem they ought to be the ones who'd know.

(Sorry people if I go over ground already covered, but going through all the posts is taking me forever.)

Ronnie,

In one of your posts you mention a bunch of myths and related facts. You also note some traits of abuser and abused. These are accurate, but the use of words male and female is interchangeable. Traits, tactics and effects of bullies are the same regardless of gender.

It is important to keep this in mind when considering the low proportion of female initiated DV in police reports. It could be argued that in addition to the problems preventing the abused (male or female,) from reporting abuse (by male or female,) men are also constrained by enduring myths about how men are just supposed to cop it if violence comes from a woman, or that such violence is ok because it comes from the oppressed- ie, violence by men is fundamentally different to violence by women because violence by men is used to reinforce control, while violence by women is a reaction to that control. It is instructive that many studies contradict the figures gained from police reports. Perhaps that’s because there are no negative consequences of reporting female initiated DV to an anonymous survey.

Regarding paedophilia in the Catholic Church, you may find it informative to research abuse committed by nuns. Such abuse is underreported, if at all, in a remarkably similar way to female DV.

Flood.

Do the social scientists and psychologists who are raising the awareness of male victims of DV not live in the real world? The number of people, male and female, on this forum who continue to raise this issue appears to be increasing. As I have argued on another thread, this appears to reflect the opinions of a sizeable proportion of Australians. Questioning feminist theory, because it does not reflect one’s own, (and the collective,) experience, is not anti-feminist. It is intellectually honest.

I’m yet to see you challenge JamesH’s comment that the studies which present DV as a male problem suffer far worse methodological problems than those which present DV as gender-neutral.

OK people get ready to jump on me because I am going to use a dreaded metaphor!

If I tease and abuse a dog and that dog turns around and bites me or other people. Who is to blame the dog or me?

I know us humans are more sophisticated than animals, well are suppose to be.

So I'll put it another way, if I continually tease and abuse another person and they respond by either shooting me or getting some else to bash me up. Who is responsible? I know in theory that we are suppose to be civilised and rational and resolve conflict in a win-win manner. but basically I assume that many people do not have conflict resolution skills.

27 June 2006 http://www.dadsindistress.asn.au/diary.html
"After many more wrangles with the ex, we finally got to see the boys - who told Bill that mummy said he didnt love them or want to see them. Drop off time - she is nowhere to be seen!. Next day more texts saying Bill has poisoned the boys and more vitriole from her.

Bill realised this was never going to end - he committed suicide by hanging himself just over two weeks ago."

this is the side of DV we don't hear about.

sleep well Ronnie Peters.

ena, "The tenor of many of these posts doesn't make me feel like it'd be safe to express an opposing opinion around some of you."

I'm not sure wether to hope you really believe that or that it's just a tactic. I want to think you believe it because you don't normally play those kind of games, I hope you don't because it's yet another sign of how effective the villification of men has been.

I've not seen any sign of threats of violence by those of us speaking out about the double standards of WRD. There are differing approaches it it but by and large we have been as polite or better than those who oppose us on this topic.

In regards to running our own add's - please have a think about the amount of taxpayer funding that has gone into the various genderised DV campaigns. Pretty hard for a group of guys who are probably mostly paying child support to match that.

Take some time and have a look at the links posted regarding research into rates of DV, if you want search Google for Dr Floods criticism of that research and ask yourself if the research that supports a genderised view of DV would stand up as well to the same type of critique.

Even if you think that DV is an 80/20 proposition (check the child abuse stats if nothing else) then it must be obvious how unbalanced the taxpayer funded response to DV is. WRD just adds to that.

It is so simple to speak out against all DV yet the ones pushing these campaigns seem unable or unwilling to do so.

R0bert

I have read with interest the way that this thread has developed and it has been very good to see flawed assumptions of WRD so thoroughly explored and I would say To the disgruntled feminists who complain about the way that the debate has gone the whole genesis of WRD was that men should take on the issue of domestic violence. The fact that it is mostly men commenting here is a n expression of men doing just that. There is no obligation for men to come to the same conclusions about the nature of the problem or possible solutions and we do not have to just blindly accept the underlying assumption imposed upon us by the Feministas who have taken this on as a project here in Australia.

Domestic Violence is a HUMAN problem that cuts across gender lines there are some damaged people, of both genders that just do not know how to relate to others without violence until that is recognized and addressed there will be NO substantial improvement in the level of domestic violence in our society .

If one day the fatherless and childless classes decide to fight their oppressor, the feminist manifesto should provide a treasure-trove of subversive tactics.

I propose April the 1st as Paternity Day. “Who’s your Daddy?” badges come to mind