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Women see red on White Ribbon Day : Comments

By Bronwyn Winter, published 27/11/2006

White Ribbon Day should be a time where each man considers his own behaviours, attitudes, beliefs and values he holds towards women.

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"Male dominated society."

Please! This isn't a person. This is a sheep who spouts cliches. "All men are baa baa baastards" "Porn causes rape" and numerous other pathetic cliches.

Male dominated society?

Man hataing society far more likely.
Posted by sparticusss, Sunday, 3 December 2006 2:39:02 PM
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HRS

there was a certain person who breeched the ethical guideliness of her profession.

A certain lecturer, I lodged a complaint with her university and the professional body.

Whilst neither the university or the professional body have ever replied to me. That person I lodged the complaint against has been very quiet.

One thing I can say is that complaint I lodged, took a lot of work spanning out to about 10 pages where I clearly demonstrated that she had breeched the ethical guidelines. It is still in my computer somewhere.
Posted by JamesH, Sunday, 3 December 2006 9:12:40 PM
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Cornflower said, “… To common people, the feminists’ demand that all men must feel guilty for the acts of the few, is ridiculous.”

Sorry, the Common People do support WRD and the attendant paradigm, check the male media-men – I bet they would not dare be seen without a White-Ribbon. But there is another issue I wanted to raise and that is the ‘sexual pressure’ on men to support the paradigm that WRD has come to represent.

If men try to present a gender-neutral paradigm in the current environment we are not only attacked by militants but also avoided by moderates. This may seem harmless enough but with both militants and moderates avoiding it condemns gender-equity men to a relationship desert. Which incidentally is also a sexual desert. Knowing how important sex is to men, women know what kind of pressure putting men in a sexual desert will produce.

It is very simple out there in the real world: toe the [mainstream]line or leave. As long as there are multitudes of men who are bounding to adopt the feminist paradigm and champion 'defenceless women' I think gender-equity guys have got Buckley’s.
Posted by Rob513264, Sunday, 3 December 2006 11:22:48 PM
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Rob13264

A man who is his own man gets plenty of attention form the opposite sex. Set your own values and ethics and live by them. If that means treating all comers with respect and dignity and you are willing to listen to women you come into contact with, you will always be on a winner.

Men need to be confident in their maleness. That is different to the ridiculous extremes of drunken yobbo and new age wuss. Men should be confident in adopting their natural maleness. No limits: there are many young men who enjoy nature, sport, music, family, and in all combinations.

It is to our detriment that our society does not encourage men to share time with one another and find meaningful enjoyment from that contact. Fathers should hug their adult sons. Men of different ages should be encouraged to share time together to discuss daily events, the meaning of life or whatever. Young men should feel comfortable about going to restaurants/venues together without women. Women are too controlling and do not allow their menfolk to do what they do tyhemselves.

A failing of many young men is that they cannot think otherwise than through their penis. Overcoming that is a sign of maturity.

Yes I think that men should discover and assert their maleness. It is very obvious that the ‘masculinity’ that is forced on men by Western society limits and harms them (have a look at the chronic diseases of men, suicide rates and so on). But it would be going up the wrong gulley to try to find maleness via Western feminism which is quite flawed and negative. Why jockey for supremacy like the gender feminists anyhow, it is waste of a life.

What men need is an unapologetic discussion of maleness by some of the many men around who have lived and enjoyed life and in so doing have taken a different path to that forced on men by society. But these are quick thoughts and I am sure others could take it further.
Posted by Cornflower, Monday, 4 December 2006 10:34:12 AM
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Rob513264 - Men, uneducated on the issue, generally know a couple of things:

1. Men are stronger than women.
2. Men are more violent towards other men than women are towards other women.
3. Women are more emotionally abusive towards other women than men are towards other men.

From that they surmise that men are violent in response towards women's nagging and it isn't really acceptable. From there, being shown bogus or one-sided statistics, or being lied to about the rate can push them over the edge and make them support the campaign, perhaps with the thought, in the back of their mind that we will deal with women's nagging after the violence has been dealt with. From that they don't know a couple of things:

1) Women are equally violent as men in relationships (supressed fact). If they did they would wonder, with violence unacceptable, why that is not being dealt with as well, or why the facts are supressed.
2) Men as victims of women, whether violence or emotional abuse, is NEVER to be dealt with by the designs of feminists. Rights for women, responsibilities for men. FULL STOP.

No. 2 is the irony behind the whole thing. It won't even get those guys laid. They don't realise that guys get whipped because they pine for sex too much, and guys that are whipped.. don't get sex, just like they don't get any other needs met, or compassion full stop.

In the matriarchy, men are workhorses, who support women out of love/worship. Men's needs are irrelevant, particularly sexual ones.

In March 1938, Germany invaded Austria and started to aggressively prepare for the invasion of Czechoslovakia.

Hitler said, (paraphrasing) "This is my last requirement for territory in Europe." The leaders of England and France easily believed his words and believed that the wolf would become a vegetarian after he devoured Czech Sudetenland.

Winston Churchill: "The tragedy of World War II could have been easily avoided. Kind-hearted cowardice promoted the vicious malignancy."

Kind-hearted cowardice = whipped.
Posted by Happy Bullet, Monday, 4 December 2006 11:55:00 AM
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JamesH
I have made justifiable complaints to several organisations in the past regards gender prejudice and discrimination shown by their staff. Some of these organisations were Universities, and I have found that you have to specifically request that a University supplies some feedback that the complaint has been received, otherwise there will be no acknowledgement that the complaint has even been received.

Many organisations do not recognise male discrimination. An example would be the University of Sydney that the author belongs to. This University awarded an honorary doctorate to Germaine Greer in 2005, even though she has made many discriminatory comments in the press about males in the past, including the following “Men are much more trouble than they're worth.”. Obviously the University of Sydney did not recognise such comments as being gender prejudiced or discriminatory, or an attempt to demonise a gender. Instead they gave Germaine Greer a doctorate.

Women carry out domestic violence and women carry out murder, but if the word “men” is taken out of the article, and replaced with the word “women”, then most likely there would be complaint that the article was gender biased and discriminatory, or complaint that the article was not properly representative of women.

But many organisations do not recognise male discrimination, and they become gender biased in their attitudes towards discrimination. The only way to get those organisations to change their attitudes towards discrimination is through direct public complaint to those organisations.
Posted by HRS, Monday, 4 December 2006 2:35:12 PM
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