Reality of God Philo? You must be joking , you have no previous proof of god before you claimed its reality. Religion and spirituality are dungeons and dragons, god believers are just childish minds clinging on to teddy bears. Fetishising personality into stuffed cloth and button eyes. God belongs in the toy box not in politics. Leave reality for the real world and god for the play ground.

West,
Your childish insults identify your lack of intelligence to engage in mature debate. Go play! You have been braiwashed in negativism and insults - typical drop-out uni student.

In the future if you wish to engage in adult debate put a positive case foward for your position.

I find unity, design and purpose in the universe, the product of one mind. My God is revealed in right living that brings praise and admiration of social perfection. Revealed in character, attitudes, behaviour, wisdom, that is expressed in his creation. Man has the capacity to abuse the nature of any of these as revealed in perfection and the curses resultant of selfishness, egocentric greed and irresponsible indulgence will ultimately destroy.

Philo I do not wish to insult Christians, Star Trek or Harry Potter fans. The fact remains whether discussing Christianity or Star wars or others of the same ilk it is no more than childish self indulgence. Immaturity is part of this society wether it is obsession with fictional occult characters such as Jesus or a girly crush on Brad Pitt. Who cares as long as it does not interfere with other people’s lives? Whatever you say does not change the fact that Christianity is a game liken to dungeons and dragons. The only difference is dungeons and dragons players do not seek to interfere with other people’s lives. Christians wrongfully seek to interfere with other peoples lives. To imagine for a second that others would be childish enough to need or believe in a god is itself an articulation of immaturity because it is symptomatic of self obsession. To be self obsessed to the point to use god as a justification just on ones say so is also immaturity. God does not exist , no claim of god is based on any truth, any experience of god. All claims of god are based on the ego , an ego that has constructed a game character as is with dungeons and dragons. People have a place in politics and that is what secular politics is. God is just a figment of the imagination to allow people to escape taking responsibility for their own choices, another dimension of immaturity that is Christianity. Again I say leave politics to the grown ups, keep god in the toy box. If I offend Christians and Muslims then I suggest they grow up. Shocking as it is to god believers there is a real universe outside of their heads and they are NOT the centre of the universe. Your belief in god is your problem Philo, it is not anybody else’s. It is immature to think we should accept your fantasy on your say so alone. Children also go through your denial when older children realise Santa Claus does not exist.

I meant to ask, Philo, which of the 20,000 or so gods that humans have worshipped over the millennia, do you worship?
We are not too different - I have sinply rejected one more god than you.

All the above post to this thread are very good reasons for keeping religion out of politics and politics out of religion. Oil and water.

In case you had not noticed LAW is based in a set of values / morals defining what is good or bad within the society. The fact that we view all men as equal, and judged by the same standard upheld by the State no matter their status - is a Christian view. This view has permeated Western thinking and makes for an equal society. Moral values are based in religious tenets, that make a society function practcally.

Who makes laws regarding human behaviour - Governments. By whose standards do they apply laws? We have persons lobbying Governments to decriminalise drugs; by whose standards do they then apply the law? If you believe every person has a purpose and a high calling, then Governments have a responsibility to assist persons to achieve that purpose. If you believe we are merely an accident of evolution then purpose is a myth. Since Christians seek to have a society free of the harmful effects of toxic substances to human health and wellbeing, then we act through the police force to rid the society of these abusive substances.