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The troublesome mix: religion and politics : Comments

By Noel Preston, published 22/11/2006

Can the common good prevail over self-interest and the desire for personal gain?

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West... I love you
I hope you belong to the Atheist foundation of Australia? Such intelligence as yours would be an asset.
Thanks to you too Philo, for using your silly gullibility and credulous belief in gods and demons to stimulate such genius in West..
Posted by ybgirp, Thursday, 14 December 2006 6:29:54 AM
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The Christianity West condemnes, is not Christianity at all, it is Roman imperialism that called itself Christian. As far as communism as practised by the USSR and China, Cuba, North Korea etc, it outlaws the practise of reliion as it is based in atheism. Socialism as an economic system has been practised by several societies and some Christian, however they never murdered religious dissidents, as did Atheistic socialism as the USSR, China, North Korea and Cuba.

I have lived through, read and talked to people from those regimes and know the persecution they suffered. Your knowledge of history is influenced by your atheistic bigotry and closed mind to the reality of others.
Posted by Philo, Thursday, 14 December 2006 10:39:17 AM
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Philo exclusionism and persecution are core Christian values. Communism has evolved from Christianity, In the occult book called the Bible Jesus preaches Communism, Jesus preachyes the exclusionism of the majority of religions, the exclusion of the majority of people who has ever vexisted and will exist. Christian nations have always banned other religions, Jews were not allowed in certain cities and countries ande were barbarically persecuted. Pagans and wiccans and atheists were cruelly persecuted by Christians. When ever did an atheist torture and burn a mourning mother of a dead baby because to mourn is to go against gods will? When has an Atheist beaten his child to death when he has found out his child is Christian? This is the values you chose to adopt when you decided to adopt the superstitious cult of Christianity. Jesusmania is your childish game , your dungeons and dragons , not ours. Keep god in the toy box because there is not much in this world that is more dangerous than the belief in god.
Posted by West, Thursday, 14 December 2006 12:52:32 PM
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West,
Your failure to read or understand the teachings of Christ places you among the uninformed and ignorant. I do not wish to carry this conversation any further because you choose to selectively identify acts done by some who do not act according to the true teachings of Christ. Evaluate their actions against the attitudes and behaviour of Christ. Bertrand Russell though an atheist upheld that every child should be taught the teachings of Christ. Read his book on why I am not a Christian.

Communism is not at issue here, atheism is. The issue is that when atheist rule then they are corrupted by power to supress belief and the free press. However atheists who have ruled nations in the last 200 years as my examples show, have been the most ruthless and cruel. That is why freedom of expression and democracy, the right to hold differing and conflicting opinion, is the most benificial form of Government. The Greens as they currently have stated are really the Communist Party in NSW who wish to abolish all schools except Public. They do not allow freedom of opinion that differs from theirs. If they ever got into power to form government secular atheism would be the State religion.
Posted by Philo, Friday, 15 December 2006 2:05:13 PM
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Philo you demonstrate the inherent dishonesty of Christians. You think because you believe in untruths then you can make any untrue argument and it will be accepted. It is you who are ignorant of atheism / secularism / realism. An atheist does not believe in myth, an agnostic is superstitious enough to think myth may be possible and better not discount myth in case discounting it brings bad luck. A religious person believes in myth.
Christianity is only a childish game akin to Dungeons and Dragons. Jesus is your dungeon master. They are not even the teachings of Christ but plagiarisms of other cults. The fetishised fictional occult character you refer to as Christ teaches exclusionism and bigotry two core values of Christianity which Christianity as a whole and devotees to the Christ idolatry demonstrate throughout history and in their daily lives.

Pinoche, Marcos ,Stalin, Peron, Nixon, Bush, are/were all Christians. Apartheid was conceived and lobbied for by clergy of the Dutch Reform church. Somalia and Rawanda too are and were religious conflicts. Even the Vietnamese conflict began between the Catholic minority and an endemic Buddhist nationalist movement. Japanese expansionism in the 1930’s and the Asian Pacific war was a product of Japanese believing they had a god given right.

You too believe you have a god given right to push your superstition and fetishised idolatry. The truth is you don’t because god does not exist. You don’t have a god given right. You would be completely honest and admit the concepts of god you hold are only that of your imagination. You would be that honest if you did not sense on some level that god does not exist. You know subconsciously know there is no god that’s why dishonesty is needed to defend god.
Posted by West, Saturday, 16 December 2006 12:16:49 PM
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"Australia is NOW a multi faith (or no faith) society"

"It would mean there was a secret master race that considered themselves pure Australians...It would be worse than the Third Reich." (Al Grasby)

Yes! It shall be worse alright. The country of Australia has become part of the world's Ecumenical Movement which means:

This a wicked twentieth-century unity movement consisting of religious modernists and liberals. It is Satan's desire to unite the world so that all will be in subjection to the coming Antichrist (Rev. 13:3; 12:9); therefore, religious unity is considered a must. Most ecumenicals have no real convictions, and they generally deny the fundamentals of Christianity, the infallibility of Scripture, and the autonomy of local churches.

"were aimed at destruction of Australian identity ?"

What the Author is actually stating here, is that it will be destruction and chaos globally for all of mankind.
Posted by Glorybound, Wednesday, 20 December 2006 5:50:26 AM
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