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Lost in translation: Australia’s top cleric : Comments

By Abe Ata, published 17/11/2006

Does the Arabic language with its flourishes, rhythms and metaphors give Arab speakers an excuse for being misunderstood?

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"Unfortunately, you, me and most white Australians, are presently living in a culture of fear..."

Geez do you really believe that? And why just white Australians, are they in some way exceptional? The anti-immigration crowd would be so grateful.

Speak for yourself, Obviously. Not everyone sees fear as a useful response to a person's words.
Posted by bennie, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 12:50:58 PM
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"Unfortunately, you, me and most white Australians, are presently living in a culture of fear..."
you disagree bennie?
i think australians fear if we adress this issue, we will come across as racist. we fear that we will upset these muslims by adressing the problem such as (deportation, closing down mosque).
contrast, yet simarily lefty incline people, fear we will alienate muslims by punishing their punishable behaviour.

the right fears if we dont act, we will have a dangerous problem.
the left fears if we do act, we will have a dangerous problem.

i believe the right wins, because that option stops the problem getting bigger.

"Speak for yourself, Obviously. Not everyone sees fear as a useful response to a person's words."- bennie,
you over simplicate words. sure on one hand their just vibrating air particles, on the other, words can be used to co-ordinate mass attacks, fill people with anti-social thoughts thus leading to anti-social behaviour.

"Speak for yourself, Obviously. Not everyone sees fear as a useful response to a person's words."-bennie

mass fear can turn into mass anger i.e cronulla, therefore is fear a useful response to a persons words? well it has the ability to bring situations into the open, and gives those problems a better chance of being solved.

Thats why i think fear can be a very useful response.
Posted by obviously, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 3:59:37 PM
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"Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear." - Bertrand Russell

"I fear nothing. Fear is a useless emotion that clouds our reason." - Steve Madden

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - Franklin Roosevelt

"Only when we are no longer afraid do we begin to live." - Dorothy Thompson

"Fear has been the original parent of superstition, and every new calamity urges trembling mortals to deprecate the wrath of their invisible enemies." - Edward Gibbon.
Posted by Steve Madden, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 4:24:49 PM
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steve, you know that the fear response in people is of an evolutionary benefit, for if otherwise it would not exist(period!).

you have taken some of these phrases out of context. in that unqiue situation he said ""The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - Franklin Roosevelt. p.s he is a president, his job is not one of great intelliegence, and his play on words are not worth remembering.

"Only when we are no longer afraid do we begin to live." - Dorothy Thompson. that could lead to any horrific outcome.

i think some of the dead sky divers and mountain climbers failed (at their own peril) to listen to their fear mechanism.

why do you not drive with yours eyes closed?
why not jump of that cliff?
why not pick up that snake?
why not wrestle with a lion?

if it wasnt for our fear mechanism, funnily enough no one would be "living"
Posted by obviously, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 5:12:09 PM
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I can see, O, you're not about to be swayed by any words from me. Keep in mind however, your own comments about "fill[ing] people with anti-social thoughts thus leading to anti-social behaviour." Fear-mongering can do that.
Posted by bennie, Wednesday, 22 November 2006 9:13:21 AM
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The fear was there before any mongering.

Some of the more attired muslims have been the attention of government and a concern for the safety and security of the Australian Nation.

This professed religious teacher has had ample time in Australia to know what he is saying and seemed to be understood by the Labour government who communicated their needs for the vote of the communities he leads by the nose.

We have already seen the dirty linen aired when Simon Creane exposed the Cambodian community within his electorate, with stories of Cambodian community leaders telling them how to vote.
Posted by Suebdootwo, Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:51:47 PM
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