Utterly stunning Perseus. I'll drink to that.

"Daylight saving" is simply a well-known [and generally well-understood] colloquialism. If we wasted our collective time analysing and defining other common colloquialisms, then we'd have no time left for other more constructive activities.

To try and be fair to all concerned, whichever side we find ourselves to be on, with this and other issues, it's human nature to do the best we can with what we've got. But the recent debate [if we can justify nonsense by calling it debate] in the WA Senate brought out some amazing comments by some of the parliamentary opponents.

[BTW, all sides of WA politics had proposers, supporters and opponents and a free vote on this.]

Opposition "points" included:
People would forget to cook the evening meal.
Early morning surfers wouldn't bother to go to work.

As for "we don't need another referendum, because WA people have already rejected daylight saving three times", well with that sort of argument, we don't need another Federal election either, do we?

Almost makes the "fading curtains' stuff seem logical, doesn't it?

Guess which side I'm on.

That's all right Rex, a man has the bloody right to speak his mind and support his own opinion whenever he likes - respect - even if he is wrong. Salute mate.

And the beat goes on, thankfully.

But as I post this, I wonder how the vote counting's going on, down there in Victoria. I wonder if "time molestation" has an affect on voters. Interesting. Why else would pollies push it so? You don't suppose it's got something to do with state and capitalist production outcomes, do you?

That's something to think about.

Thanks, Maximus. There are times when I can see a lot of merit in getting up an hour earlier. And some days I even get up two hours earlier, especially when it involves a flight to somewhere. And at the moment every one of us has the right to get up earlier and to go to work an hour earlier so they can come home an hour earlier.

So why is it that these emotional cripples have a need to compel me, and everyone else to get up an hour earlier just because they can see some merit in it for themselves? The actual time is no longer the issue for me anymore.

I just have a deep and abiding dislike of the kind of boorish lumpen scheiser who cannot make a personnal decision without first compelling everyone else to do as they do. If they weren't so pathetic it would be laughable.

Changing clocks does not create more daylight.

In NQ this irrational clock changing is absurd, particularly for children.

Children have to rise early in the cool and try to get to sleep while it is still stinking hot. At 8.30pm EST it is still hot in summer, but if the clock is altered to fit in with this ridiculous relic of WW2, kids have to try to get to sleep at 7.30pm when it still light and sweltering hot.

The draw on power from those people who have airconditioners would put real strain on the electricity grid when they get home and try to get some sleep in the heat of the day.

When Qld tried DST the last time, kids were perpetually tired.

If others want to get up earlier etc, then leave the clocks alone.

I am also tired of the "fading curtains" guff, it is as bad as airline pilots having difficulty calculating the timezone changes.

Why do some people want to dictate to others. It would be interesting to see what a referendum in the southern states would be regarding DST as it seems to favour city slickers and office workers.

As far as I can see, daylight saving should be introduced in the winter time down south when there is less sunlight rather than during summer when there is more.

Oh I forgot, in the southern states it is too freezing cold to get out of bed that early :)

As Phil McMillan of Sarina said in todays Courier Mail;

"I don't have a problem with a split time zone but would prefer it was permanent and the state was split in two. Maybe then we could have better services and roads from the enormous wealth generated in the coalfields. Also, our daughter may not have to travel from Emerald to Mackay to have her next baby."

And if they can enshrine property rights and the principles of judicial review into their new state constitution I will be shifting my entire net worth into that new state faster than you can say "investment boom".