ronnie and others: Again there is not and never has been nor will there be ever be an everlasting torturous commonly preached (by Satan's many churches) hell fire. God created both male and FEMALE in His IMAGE - that is God is both male and female. And YES! God created Satan as the adversary of human kind though God is in complete and total charge and Satan will only do what God allows, it's a part of His plan for all. This is why EVERYONE - that's EVERY HUMAN BEING who has ever lived and who will ever live irregardless of present religion, race, age, sex will make it. As He, God, created Satan as our adversary, allowed Satan to confuse us with his many confusing religions etc then He will save us He will rescue us in His good time. Give you proof - 'get off it'! whatever proof I did give you would probably mock it as well as dis-believe it, Satan has done a good job you see. Regards, numbat

Satan tempts humans to their destruction, as he hates them, the latter being beloved of God. But just because humans are loved by God doesn't mean he will tolerate their misdeeds forever (some of which are truly heinous -- child sexual abuse, or just plain human abuse). And God may have created an angel called Lucifer, but Lucifer chose to sin on his own, mistakenly believing in his pride as the most beautiful of all angels, that he could be like God.

God, on the other hand, tests humans, in order to develop their character. Testing and tempting are qualitatively different, the former for constructive reasons, the latter for destructive ones.

God's ways are constructive -- Love your neighbor as yourself. He has to test us to allow us to meet his challenges, as we don't know how to love our neighbors as we do ourselves. Consider King David who murdered the husband of a woman he wanted. God allowed him to live, although the king knew the penalty was death. However, God also raised up a sword in David's family, through which his favorite son Absalom was destroyed.

For those who are born again in God's spirit, sent to help them meet the tests of God, they would be familiar with the multitude of challenges God places before them to develop their characters according to his image, so that they can follow the second commandment, or come closer to doing so. God changes man's ways from that of war, hating one's neighbor,to peace, loving one's neighbor -- or can do so, with each individual's consent. That's the purpose of being born again.

Gnosticism (Dan Brown) is a belief system opposite to that of the Christian, although the words used may be the same. The Jesus of the Gnostic gospels is different from that of the Gospel. The Jesus of the former claims according to the pseudo gospel of Mary that "there is no sin." If there is no sin (human misdeeds against each other) then there was no reason for Jesus as God to come to earth to try to communicate with an obtuse, hard of hearing mankind, to straighten out our bent/unclean ways.

Gnosticism posits that humans can become as gods. Christianity via Jesus posits that humans are bent towards sin, and as sinful beings, are very far from God's standards which are holy (do not harm others).

Gnosticism posits that sex (eventually with anyone, anytime, at any age) is sacred.* Christianity posits that sex is good, when confined to the marriage relationship (need sociological, psychological and criminological studies to show how this is true, where the marriage relationship is godly, that is, where each marriage partner loves the other as God loves humans).

Gnosticism posits that the flesh/material world is evil. Christianity says creation was originally good, made crooked or imperfect by mankind, to be restored by Jesus at his return.
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* See the clip from the Da Vinci Code when the grandfather of the presumed descendant of Christ is having "sacred sex" with a prostitute,
as in the pagan religions of old, which associated fertility with the gods and therefore sex with life/divine.

Hawaiilawyer,
Is that God Jesus? :-)
Yes because Jesus told you so.:-)
What about Buddha and other Gods who were before Jesus? :-)Are they Satan?Are others followers of Satan?
Lets have WWF beteen Jesus and non-Christians Gods and Satan :-)

Lets broaden, when Genesis taught about God and Satan to Abrahamical followers,people in other parts of world already knew of "their" God and "their" Satan.
So I am curious to know what would be outcome of this WWF :-)

I cannot let the ill-informed ramblings of HL go Unchallenged.

HL believes himself to be both a champion of the Trinity and Jesus is God and biblical divinity and prophecy, as well as the accredited expert on all things Gnostic (because he or she has been told all about the evil Gnostics at 'divinincal school', or wherever)

He might be able to fool himself but anyone who bothers to look at Truth will be able to see through him for what he truly is. He relies upon the ignorance of others to not rise up to meet him on equal terms.

If Jesus is God why does Matthew 27:46 quote Jesus as saying "Eli, Eli, Lama Sabach Thani"?

Gnosticism has far more in common with True Christianity than HL can possibly begin to understand, certainly far more than it differs to it.

Gnosticism has as it's core belief the intention of eliminating the evil from within the mind of man in order to allow us to more clearly see our personal connection with and to ultimately reUnite within God (Religion: from Latin, Re + Ligare = to rejoin)

Gnosticism posits not that sex is sacred, but that Sacred Sex is sacred. God made humans Male AND Female, so Gnostics understand that humans need to fully appreciate both their male and female 'selves' in order to become closer to God and that sex only with a similarly believing individual and performed in a ceremonial type fashion (enjoyment of sex for sex's sake would be a travesty of the rituals and could never be done by any Gnostic - something HL cannot possibly grasp) is one of the means towards 'enlightenment'.

Gnostics and christians agree on the origninal form of the world AND on it's current rule under Satan and that only through Jesus Christ can we transform ourselves from sin to the state we need to find in order to see and move closer to God.

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Listen to HL rant if you want to be good little christians and follow his dire warnings away from evil for you'll only get one chance under his 'Gods' view of humanity's worth and if you fail to accept Jesus in this life you're doomed to eternal hell. Did i get that bit right HL?

Any of you who cannot stomach the smug superiority he tries to peddle and continual knocking of others who seek God through other paths than biblical christianity should realise that Jesus spoke truly, but not just in the bible.

Ghandi knew this and also knew more than HL ever could.

If HL makes it to heaven Ghandi will be waiting for him with open arms along with a bunch of Hindu, Muslim and Gnostic mates.