Friedrich I have not confirmed anything, you have already decided to fight against civilisation and humanity. Banning abortion is itself a form of terrorism. You can not know the circumstances of every woman. Ok you could possibly be forgiven for ignorance; churches have long vilified women as seducers and pathological callous serial egg fertilizers, the Christian mind is not a healthy or rational mind. But you cannot be forgiven for your support of rape in Nicaragua.

If you knew what logic is then you would come to the only conclusion about god and abortion. Most pregnancies naturally terminate so therefore you worship a god which is a master abortionist. The days where Christians can fake caring for unborn children is over. Through the Christian practice of child abuse sexually, violently or psychologically Christians have proved beyond doubt they have no consideration for the child at all. Their hatred of women is based on the occult fiction of the Bible.

Still it is not God who judges women having abortion or atheists or anybody, it is you who is judging women. Friedrich and by doing so you are claiming you your self is god. You are the one speaking, not god. Why should you be believed? On that matter you have no god to persuade people. You have no right to persuade people a god exists. You can only offer lies when claiming God to exist.

On the question of separating different superstitious sects and their crimes, the values of Christians and Muslims are the same; there is no difference between the pope and Bin Laden, The Taliban and Family First. The worship of God is the worship of ones own ego that is what leads god believers to inflict harm onto others. Proof of this is your support against abortion the only motivation for which is to harm women, women who are not you, and where is your justification? What did God say? God said nothing – it is you who spoke as God.

If you are right Friedrich then smite me, I guarantee you lack the magic.

Sorry, West, but I seem to have missed the logical connection between "rape is an evil act" (which I agree with) and "killing a child because her or his father is a rapist is necessary to expiate the evil of this act". I'm going to go out on a limb here, and assume that you wouldn't agree that "killing an adult because he is a rapist is necessary to expiate the evil of this act". How near the mark is that guess? Death penalty for rapists' children, but not for rapists themselves? This is where un-superstitious Reason gets you?

And yet, if pro-lifers do allow exceptions for rape victims, then (a) these exceptions get stretched to allow de facto abortion on demand (see the lies told by pro-choicers regarding the fictitious rape of Norma Jean McCorvey of "Roe v Wade" fame), and (b) we get lectured about our inconsistency. "If a foetus really is an unborn child, how can you justify killing it regardless of how it was conceived?" The pea is never under the thimble we select.

Now morally, a child is a child. But as far as legality is concerned, with the heavy hand of the state and the court system involved, the fact a pregnancy originated in (proven) rape would be a legitimate ground for legislators making those abortions non-punishable. Not a matter of legal right, but of non-prosecution. Much like provocation: someone insults my mother, I punch him in the face, he dies. No useful purpose is served by prosecuting me for that. On the other hand, that does not mean I can claim a legal right to go hunting him down, or that I can call on the police to restrain any pro-life bigots who want to restrain me.

On the US Larry King programme, about one year ago, a Catholic priest and serious religious scholar, when asked, about female priests, said the real reason, why that Christian church did not have female priests was; that some centuries back, it was thought that male and female might marry, and over time, familial dynasties would arise, within that Church, destablising it.

Sexism is just as eviscerating to the dignity, self-esteem, aspirations and opportunities of women as racism is to people of colour.

Anyone else noticed the implied sexism is this quote? Apparently, only women are victims of sexism. Interesting but utterly false of course.

Perhaps this feminist quote will serve as an illustration of what I mean: "A husband is just a rapist who buys you flowers."

Nuff said! I don't want to upset the perpetual female victims too much.

Friedrich clearly you have no understanding what logic is. I will let your personal attack go as logic and reason is not a strong point for the superstitious. I assume you are a Christian since you make personal attacks and personal attack is a base trait of that darkage cult.

You obviously have no understanding of biology but its not the cluster of cells or embryo what you care about as you have now clearly demonstrated. Besides nobody these days takes Christian piety seriously we all know by the actions of Christians throughout history and through terrorists who hide behind the politically correct label of ‘pro lifer’ have no credibility.

What you have said is exactly the problem Freidrich. You said “if pro-lifers do allow exceptions for rape victims, then …………” Exacxtly!! You care nothing of cell clusters, embryos or even children, what “if pro-lifers do allow exceptions for rape victims, then …………” means is that your agenda and the agenda of that immoral hate movement “pro- Lifers” is nothing other than the control of other people. Rape victims are not the property of pro lifers. Pro lifers have no right to dictate to others. Pro lifers have no argument and no honest person can deny that all the arguments they put up are either bald faced lies or twisted truth. Pro lifers are nothing but twisted hysterical loonies who ought to be monitored and watched as clearly they threaten violence and spread the hatred of women. They should get on a boat with Hibabi and go and share Bin Ladens cave with the rest of the cave men. Pro Lifers have no place in civilisation.

Even to call them pro-lifers is an oxymoron, not only for their violence but the fact they worship death = god , heaven , hell , salvation and all the other ridiculous magical phantasmagoria of their ignorance based superstition.