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There shouldn't be one law for religions, another for the rest : Comments

By Leslie Cannold, published 30/10/2006

Sexism is just as eviscerating to the dignity, self-esteem, aspirations and opportunities of women as racism is to people of colour.

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"to be godlike requires others to be looked down upon from the dizzying heights of righteousness"

couldn't agree less. u obviously haven't read your Bible in a while. just a few off the top of my head...

"12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?" 1 Cor 5:-12

"1Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Matt: 7:1-5

1Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. Galation 6:1-3
Posted by YngNLuvnIt, Thursday, 2 November 2006 6:36:12 PM
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and finally

9Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13Share with God's people who are in need. Practice hospitality.
14Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.

17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. 20On the contrary:
"If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Ro12:9-21
Posted by YngNLuvnIt, Thursday, 2 November 2006 6:36:22 PM
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Y you prove my point. First of all you are speaking for God, you are not allowing your god to speak for himself and secondly you quote the Bible as if it makes you better than non-Christians. Of course quoting the Bible is meaningless , the Bible is meaningless it is just nothing more than occult fiction. But you believe you are god or god like by quoting the bible because it is a magic charm which elevates you to be above everybody else. If the Bible were magic then Good people who are Christian would be common but it is Bad people who are Christian who are the most common. Which means the Bible is not magic and you are not better than the rest of the human race and people will be good or bad depending on their born nature. I offer friendly advice- many people are magic proof , it is a waste of time quoting the Bible.
Posted by West, Friday, 3 November 2006 9:52:17 AM
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“First of all you are speaking for God, you are not allowing your god to speak for himself”
Christians have believed for millennia that the Bible is the Word of God. So quoting the Bible is letting God speak for Himself rather than trying to speak for Him.

“and secondly you quote the Bible as if it makes you better than non-Christians”
What an abstract interpretation!
You claimed that religion made/encouraged people to belittle those of no faith. I was showing you, from the Bible and not just from my personal opinion, that Christianity does NOT encourage this. This was to respond to the views which YOU brought up. Perhaps you have certain views about Christians that you’ll continue to believe regardless of how somebody chooses to respond to them.?

“But you believe you are god or god like by quoting the bible because it is a magic charm which elevates you to be above everybody else.”
No I don’t believe I am God, or that I’m God-like by quoting the Bible. I believe I am God-like when I actually LIVE the Bible- e.g. you see that last passage from Romans? Quoting it is meaningless. Living it is Godly (whether you’re a believer or not).

“If the Bible were magic then Good people who are Christian would be common but it is Bad people who are Christian who are the most common.” First of all, we’d have to define “Christian” as those who are born again (John 3) AND seek to live out the claims of the Bible. The Bible says that action is the evidence of faith. So if someone says they’re a Christian and doesn’t live like it you have no reason to believe that they are.

So now that we’ve clarified this to someone actually trying to live the faith they profess to believe, have you actually done some statistical study of the millions/billions of people who have been these sorts of Christians throughout history, and worked out some significant difference between “good Christians” and “bad Christians”? I’d be fascinated to see your data if you have!
Posted by YngNLuvnIt, Saturday, 4 November 2006 12:20:27 AM
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“You are not better than the rest of the human race”.
Agreed. There’s something I’ve noticed about deeply spiritual Christians- humility. It seems the closer you get to God, the more the outer religious nonsense breaks away and you realise yourself as the Bible describes you- a sinner saved by grace. I’ve heard one man (I think a Salvo) describing evangelism as “one hungry beggar showing another hungry beggar where to find bread”.

The Bible does not teach anybody that they are better than anyone else (it in fact puts us all in the same category as describing EVERYONE as having fallen short of the glory of God). I certainly do not believe I am better than anyone! Would receiving a gift make me a better person than someone who was offered the gift and chose not to take it? Of course not. Receiving this Gift has made me want to be a better person, but of course I realise I am equal to everybody else AND that other people have other inspirations aside from the Gift for wanting to be a better person too.

“and people will be good or bad depending on their born nature”
Ahh, determinism, how interesting that you believe it! I don’t like assigning people as good or bad depending on their “born nature”. I’ve seen many people who society would describe as very bad becoming what society would describe as very good, because they’ve made a decision to do so. Religion would describe it as “repentance”.

(you say, aha! You’re talking about religion making people seem good! No I’m not. Repentance can be secular or religious, in my opinion. Grace/faith  Salvation though is of course only “religious”. The former makes you good in the sight of other people. The latter, coupled with the former, makes you good in the sight of other people AND God).

Now, need... sleep.
Posted by YngNLuvnIt, Saturday, 4 November 2006 12:21:09 AM
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YngNLuvnIt No God has ever said the Bible was his words. Only people who speak for god claim the bible is god’s words. God did not write the Bible. To claim the bible as Gods words and then to quote it is to claim oneself as God. To quote the Bible as if the fiction is actually relevant to anything or has some sort of meaning is to try and put yourself above others. The Bible is a book of exploitation and control, it incites followers to seek victims to convert, it inspires (evil) moral judgement. Those who claim the bible is the word of god use the Bible as an occult book of charms and spells rather no different than witches.
Laughably you quote John. No good person would see the need to be born again. Of course nobody is born again. Again those who do not take responsibility for themselves and their actions hide behind superstition and claim to be born again. We all know only bad people claim to be born again and we all know they are still bad people after their rebirth. Like Islam its dizygotic twin Christianity is an extremely negative superstition. The negativity is profound both dark age cults are based on death worship and immoral Judgement , an eternal war against outsiders and the self justification through channelling god, this includes quoting the Bible or Quran. The evil that the Bible and Quran preach means that to be a good Christian or Muslim a person has to be a bad Person. This is why good people who are Christian or muslim are not practicing their faith, Knowing such books are a collection of fairytales.
Lastly both books are quoted as occult spell books. The Bible is not magic, God does not exist you can psychologically convince yourself of both myths by quoting the bible but quoting john has no magic, no god to evoke.
Posted by West, Saturday, 4 November 2006 10:08:26 AM
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