Which Jesus is that? Is that the Jesus who says the wages of sin is death, giving you a universal law which applies to all humans and tells them of their future -- death, as a consequence of the choice to sin?

Or is that the so-called Jesus made up by the gnostics who claim Jesus said there is no sin?

Satan comes to steal and destroy. Steal what? The life you could have with Jesus, by leading you down the path of a re-defined Jesus.
Destroy what? Your soul, by leading you down the path away from Jesus, to another "Jesus."

There is a spiritual war for your life and your soul, waged in the heavens. There is a war in heaven over the Word of God.

Why would that be? This is a war over your will, your choices, over your mind -- wherein resides your power to decide your future. Satan wishes you to decide wrongly, in the belief that you are deciding rightly.

Stay close to the word of God in the Bible. Draw close to God and he will draw close to you.

Daniel 3 (on Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego).

By the way, I don't go to church.

"It is said in the scriptures 'an eye for an eye' but i say unto you do Good for Evil" (thou shall NOT kill! thou shall only LOVE your fellow man (not only those who think as you) - even if it results in your own death on the cross - on Earth but gives you eternal life)

That Jesus - (the one in my heart who brings me closer to His Father and shows me true Wisdom.)

Anyone who denies his words is not of Him.

Neither is anyone who follows the words of a false 'prophet' who might speak with His name ("For there shall be Many" )

How America doth love Guns and War. Such a christian country.

Go Fight the Good Fight HL.

Jesus' actions are much more important than his words - hence "I am the Life, the Truth and the Way". Understanding this is the key to understanding everything else. A man or peace, who did not retaliate at his own torture and curcifixion. This is His ultimate example. Dare you truly follow Him?

Kevin,

Ghandi Did - (a Hindu) but i do not know of another since 1948.

Me personally? I think at this point in my understanding I would be screaming "I recant I recant" when put on the rack to be ripped apart for my 'heresy' by those good christian men of the time. You know - the ones who could not face the truth spoken of by man that God's Earth was not the centre of the Universe and hence not the most important place as they claimed God wanted man to believe. (they spoke 'for' God using the Bible and Jesus's words as 'proof'.)

Having my unfortunate medical condition (i am allergic to pain and torture) I fear I would not have total trust (Just like our Lord Jesus failed to at the end) that the afterlife is better for 'me' (my physical 'self') than this world is, and might choose to lie to save my unworthy hide.

Which reminds me.... If Jesus truly was GOD and not God's human son why would he ask: "My Lord, Why have you foresaken me"?? on the Cross

I find that curious. I am sure christians have a pre-made answer waiting.

Ghandi was probably caught 'off guard', even though he could reasonably have expected to be assassinated for his belief and actions, or die on one of his fasts, and only had time to say 'Oh God' at the time of his release from earthly suffering.

It is not recorded if he also had a similar doubt of personal faith as Jesus, temporarily, before imminent death.

Also, since Jesus fasted why do modern day churches not proclaim the benefits of fasting to all their bretheren or do they and i just never noticed it?

HL? anyone?

"Anyone who denies his words is not of him"

Jesus did say he is the son of God the Father, and the Father as well (John l:l). He did say "I and the Father are one."

He did say his disciples could not cast out some demons/fallen angels because they needed to fast and pray. These cannot come out except by prayer and fasting.

When you speak of wisdom are you referring to his words, or to your thoughts, or to both?

I repeat, he also said his kingdom is not of this world. Politics is currently under the thrall of the devil, since all men are under that mental, spiritual, emotional slavery (unless they have agreed to be born again in the spirit of God, and agree daily to follow that spirit's leading). If you read the Bible, God raises up both kinds of leaders, good and evil, for his own purposes, within his plan for mankind. See especially the Old Testament.

Deuteronomy 28: "...it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not harken unto the voice ofthe Lord thy God, to observe to do all the commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Cursed shalt thou be in the city and cursed shalt thou be in the field. Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land...Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out"

Reference: Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.

HL,
Wisdom is wisdom if it is True.

Whether true for mankind or true for God Truth is Truth.

I understand equally as well as you about the ways of man and of God's plan to match evil with Good on this particular planet. You may care to recall I advised you and mjpb to beware the evil of churches (of man). Deuteronomy (which i have read entirely)need only be quoted me when i say something that actually, rather than apparently, contradicts it and contradicts the word of Christ, not of man's interpretation of his word.

John 1:1 says the Word was with God. You equate 'a' Jesus with 'the' Word.

There is a detectable dichotomy between Jesus the Man and Jesus the Eternally living God.

You say Jesus said: I and the Father are one (a matter of interpretation. I can be as one with my Brother that does not make me my Brother) But God is in ALL of us and our entirity forms but a fraction of God so...

I say Jesus (the Man) while on the cross said: My Father, Why have YOU forsaken ME. (Eli! Eli! Lama sabach thani? Matt 27:46)

It is impossible to reconcile that statement with one and the same 'person'. Jesus/God.

I am certain you will try.

And if your first line was meant to imply that i deny the words of Jesus i challenge you to show that i do and it is not just your imperfect understanding of my words that blinds you to the truth in them.

You, like me, are human and thus fallible. And thus still able to be deceived by our imperfection. Your belief that you have accepted a fixed pre-existing notion of Jesus does not of itself make you the holder of all Truth. (it points to falsehood)

I do not try to deceive people away from God but to bring understanding of 'Him' to a wider group than you are capable of reaching.

Ghandi was a good role model for mankind. Just like the man Jesus the Christ.