Azliz, why don't YOU jump? Really?

You have proven yourself, through numerous posts, to be intolerant, highly ignorant, and thoroughly petty.

From your purile carry on, I'm not surprised that your ex, or anyone else he partnered with, thought you were an evil villain. You certainly have portrayed yourself quite nicely as that in this discussion!!

And if nothing else, the fact that you beleive all the crap that you read in the papers, or hear on the news.... you are a loon of the highest calibre.

My partner is just now beginning his relationship with the CSA. The letters they've been sending the ex at the end of financial year stirred her up, and after many months of the mother's poison, the youngest has refused to speak to his father until he pays CS. There is nothing we can do to stop the damage her mother is doing to those kids. We have no objection to paying CS, but the way they do things REALLY needs to change. The ex, in her application, lied about just about everything (except his address and ph. no.!), and now its up to my partner to prove her wrong. The breach of OUR privacy involved in a change of assessment (to take into account the fact we pay all costs of maintaining contact)is horrifying. If the mother gets a right to know ALL of our financial details becuase it may affect HER CS income, then why don't we get a copy of her details, because, after all, that CS we pay affects our income. Is anyone actually DOING anything, or are we all just waiting for someone else to change things? Point me in the right direction.

Chezzie, paternity fraud isn’t illegal yet--Liam Magill’s case is the test case that may create the precedent to make it illegal.

If you make paternity fraud illegal--what happens if the woman tells the man and he decides to forgive her and stay in the relationship? What happens if he changes his mind years down the track? What if she says she told him and he says she didn’t—who do the courts believe? Does she have to prove he agreed or does he have to prove he didn’t know? If the man is compensated financially how do you calculate that? Will he only get refunds on CSA payments or can he claim for when he was living with her? How do you calculate that debt? Do you advocate laws to stop adultery?

Should it be also illegal for the biological father? What should be the consequence to him--equal to the mother or less? Should women be punished because women are worse than men or because it’s harder to change the law to punish men? How different is this to stoning the adulterous women while the man goes free in some countries?

There are many frauds perpetrated in marriage leaving the other spouses’ lives in tatters. Is this the only fraud that should be suable?

If the woman can’t pay is she imprisoned? Can women left with children be able to sue NCP’s the same $70,000 per ten years they don’t pay child support for their biological child even if they don’t have the means—and imprison them? Hasn’t the woman been defrauded also if the father promised to support the children and then doesn’t?

Should all children have paternity tests at birth? Make them compulsory, or only compulsory if the male wants one? Would you legally insist on paternity tests for men accused of being the biological father? Should the testing be performed in utero?--enforce abortions for babies not biologically the father’s? If the women has the abortion and the marriage breaks up anyway as a result of the DNA test does she get any punishment?

Can a live-in husband sue his wife?

What about the husband who has a child outside the marriage paying child support thereby taking money out of the family—does she get to sue him too? Can he be imprisoned if he doesn’t support the children of his legal marriage after he has impregnated another women? Or can he join Derek and more than half the NCP paying nothing to $6 because they hide their money while you want someone in Meredith’s situation to have a $70,000 debt when she can't afford it but because of the fraud.

If the father hides that he’s supporting a child by a previous relationship can the wife sue him for paternity fraud when she finds out? Can you sue bigamists?

Should the mother who commits paternity fraud automatically lose the legitimate children to the spouse? Should the wife have the same benefit if the husband is the fraud?

Your suggestion Meredith’s children should sue her is disgusting. She can go through pregnancy, birth and care for 18+ years, cooking, cleaning, washing paying for their clothes, schooling, food, changing nappies, cleaning their wounds, wiping their noses, holding them when they cry, nurse them when sick,etc without any financial support from either father and then be sued by her children. Why not instead fight for the right to take the children from her so you and Liam can give them the upbringing you seem to think they should have? And you say this woman is struggling with a drug addiction as well? Vicious.

Scrapnmafia. You don’t criticise the contentious comments made by men. Your attitude is ‘women are evil--no exceptions and men are poor victims—no exceptions’. That’s never been my stand. I also ask questions of people to encourage them to debate. Don’t think I don’t notice you just insult and don’t debate or answer questions—nor has Chezzie. Look at your nick:‘scrap’n’(fighting)‘mafia’(a group of men involved in extortion, drug-smuggling, gun-running and prostitution). You describe yourself as a thug—you have the same opinion of yourself that I do.

I was 20 years old when I met my husband. He was separated and had a son of 2 years old. He paid child support but it did not matter to him, he wanted to support his son and it allowed him to continue with access. If he paid less she would not let him see his son. I did not care, I was working full time as well. As young people in love do, we got married and soon my thoughts turned to having children. My husband could not support me, our child, his son and his ex-wife. No problem, I thought. I would have a baby and then get straight back into work. So all sorted. But nothing could have prepared me for the feeling you get with motherhood. I did not want my baby in childcare. I was so in awe of this little bundle of joy I just wanted to stay home with her and love her and look after her.

But financially we just couldn't afford it. Any attempts to reduce the large amount of child support we were paying were met by a mother threatening to withdraw access. We had paid thousands of dollars with lawyers and family court and we did not want to go through that process again. So I did night packing, I cleaned a pub at 4am so I could be at home. I had to work at night because my husband had taken on a second job. However, my husbands ex was not working. She was receiving government benefits, had remarried and was not expected to work until the children reached school age.
More to come.....

To those who think that we should have not had children because we could not afford them, please have some heart and understanding. I am a mother just like anyone else. My children are now 16 and 14. They are very close to both myself and my husband, he is a wonderful father who has been very badly treated by an acrimonious ex-wife who has been assisted by the system and the CSA that supports her.

I will never regret having my children. They are my life. We are still poor but very happily married. People deserve second chances for happiness and love. Compassion for each other is the key in these forums. Take a moment to see it from the other side.