Regarding Liam MAGILL. People often make judgements on their limited knowledge of the facts of this tragic case.
Can I please clear up a few points ?
Liam Magill did not choose to deceive those 3 children for the 1st decade of their lives. It was mum who lied to them for all those years.
Liam Magill has never been refunded one cent of the 8 years of child support he paid for Derek Rowe's 2 children.
Liam Magill is still paying child support.
Liam Magill is still in arrears with the CSA ( the phantom debt )
The children's minds have been badly poisoned against Liam by his ex wife Meredith. He is now the 'family villian'
Meredith allowed her children to perk up to a total stranger Mr Greg Bearup- journalist from the Weekend Australian...and say...I hate my old dad.
Meredith (McClelland) Magill is from one of the wealthiest families in rural Victoria. Her inheritance runs into the millions.
She will never be financially disadvantaged.
The CSA allowed the biological father Derek Rowe to run away with his wife Veronica to Southport in Qld
Derek Rowe left Melbourne with almost half a million dollars in his bank account. The CSA never pursued him. CSA stated in documents obtained through FOI.To take action against Derek Rowe was "problematic"
The children have lived with their mother since they were aged 1,2 and 3 years of age. Meredith left when the yougest child was 11 months old.
The children tried to burn Liam home down on 3 occasions.
The children stole $900 from Liam's bedside table one access weekend. It was never returned.
No doubt mum would have known if the children had so much money in their possession.
But one can only put it down to mum's documented drug addiction.
Chezzie and Cheryl are the same person and she IS the 'awful' girlfriend of Liam Magill.

CHEZZI

Aziliz,

How do you think ammends should be made to a man who has paid CS for many years for kids who turn out not to be his?

How should the mother be punished in such a case?

Frankly, I cannot even imagine a just outcome for either person or the children

Kalin, I agree—I don’t advocate women cheating on their husbands but I also cannot imagine a just outcome for all. In my outline of a new system I avoided tackling it by putting it in the prenup—I shouldn’t have.

My emphasis is the children and their relationship with both parents (once established). If it happened to me (not possible) I’d do everything I could to stop it affecting my relationship with the children.

Now, Robert--don’t get so defensive--explain yourself better.

Your quote:

“My opt in clause still leaves the choice regarding abortion with the mother.”

This gives women a choice of having a relationship with the father or an abortion. If you’re happy with forcing that on a woman just say so and stop fudging.

Explain how it would be negotiated and how much force used on the unwilling. If a full 50/50 custody--when does that commence? Can he insist on being present at the birth? Can he take the baby when one or two days old—a week?

You’re not listening not because you disagreed but because you didn’t comment on the ease a woman with one young child can repartner. You still argue about children needing two parents. Do you exclude adopted children as experiencing two parents? Women with multiple/older children are less likely to repartner and more likely to have step-parenting problems.

Chezzie—Thought you were cheryl--trying to flush you out—and succeeded. ;)

I experienced all the floods of women who raced into my ex’s life determined I was an awful villain he needed protecting from (and sometimes our children) even though they never met me. I’m very wary of the ‘knight in shining armour’ rescuer attitude now—I understand how much damage it can do. I doubt you really know Meredith as well as you suppose and casting the children as ‘dragons’ is callous.

The newspaper reports say Liam Magill was released from responsibility for paying for the two children not his in 1999 and was released from his CSA debt for these children as well. Is this true Chezzi? Which children does he owe debt for?

The Solicitor General- ( The Government's legal representative ) mentioned during the High Court Appeal in Canberra on 7th April 2006 that decisions are made in courts around Australia every day against people who have families and children.( not quoted word for word ) In my opinion, why is the Magill case any different ? Criminasl who are living from the proceeds of their crimes are having their homes and valuable belongings confiscated by the government. Are we now saying because these criminals have children...they should be exempted from any penalty? The arguements that are being put forward by some people are just absurd. Paternity Fraud is not uncommon. 1 in 5 men in Australia who question the paternity of their children will have their suspicions validated by DNA testing. I am a mother of 3 and if I knew that my own baby's true identity was deliberately concealed at birth, I would take action to find out who was responsible and I would not rest until the truth was uncovered. Liam Magill and the deceived children are entitled to the same course of action. Don't be surprised in the future if these children mount their own case against their mother for the pain and suffering she put them through. All children and all adults are entitled to their identity, heritage, bloodline, medical history and above all the TRUTH.
Cheryl King - Chezzie (the awful girlfirend of Liam Magill) phone 0416 031145- Melbourne

They also say Liam Magill has been on disability pension for years. Does this mean the child support he still pays is $5pw for all those years or has he been a victim of the CSA laws of ‘capacity to earn’?

I’m against the ‘capacity to earn’ rule. Although I understand the CSA’s frustration over the majority of men not paying any appreciable child support ($6pw), the men who have genuine reasons to be on a lower wage than previously shouldn’t be penalised.

He was given a lump sum from his previous employer in 2005--there’s some contention over that—strange all of a sudden getting that so many years later--what was that?

Saying Meredith is rich isn’t good enough when Liam Magill’s court case was to set a precedent for all women including those without a cent--weren’t you all trumpeting that.

Liam Magill was paying the child support Derek Rowe should have paid(if DNA+male pays is the standard adopted). Society says the non-custodial must pay and when he doesn’t, advocates suing the woman who supports the children? Not consistent. Derek Rowe should have been sued.

If the CSA can’t get money from Derek Rowe then he’s the same as the majority of NCP--his marriage seems to have survived too.

Many people with drug addictions have a mental illness that attracts them to drugs—if not mentally ill before they can be afterwards from the drugs effects. Our society needs to support the mentally ill and their family. If what you say is neither a fabrication nor an exaggeration then it’s a pity Liam Magill and his supporters are so insensitive to Meredith’s problem. what were the circumstances of leaving those children with a drug addict? Instead of bandying around the word ‘drug addict’ as an insult you should recognise it as the serious illness it is.

Scrap, if your lawyer said go jump off a cliff you would? Most lawyers love destroying families—but no lawyer could convince me not to see my children in exchange for no CSA.

Hi there,
There is no more disgusting an organisation than the Child Support Agency. If this amorphous, disgraceful, lying, cheating, undemocratic, organisation calling itself the CSA is to be rendered to the grubby status it deserves, then it will be, as soon as "equal parenting legislation" is actually followed by the courts.
Not that I expect any family Court to lawfully adhere to Commonwealth Gazetted legislation. Because they too, are a law unto themselves.
The wealthier the man, the more the CSA encourages the woman to claim, not child support, but a matrimonial settlement.
After having supported my boy all along I was re-assessed at at the mother's request at $50,000.00 retrospectively and $350.00 pw.
My 4yo is living the high life? Of course not! But his mother can now as she never had to work and doesnt now in her new affluent relationship.
My point is this ....if there is ever to be any justice or equality then make it equality of parenting. Then let's see what the little Hitlers at the CSA say if those women magistrates follow the law and give the father equal access to his kids. Equality of the sexes equals equal access...equal access equals equal costs.
Then maybe we can close the doors on this unaustralian organisation and the billions they waste a year sitting on their fat, dum, shiny bums can be spent on the kids.