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Meat treatment sullies Diggers in lraq : Comments

By Melinda Tankard Reist, published 25/9/2006

Don’t gloss over the offence committed by these soldiers against women.

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Bushbred, like you, I also served my country (not during time of conflict though).

Many folk, primarily political identities and 'barrow pushers'are conveniently ignoring the growing (hidden for 'their' agenda purposes) statistics of women becoming more violent, & more 'male' like e.g tribadism. This today is more often being pictorialised.

For what?
Male titillation, or female equality? I think more likely as some hint, to add to the bank accounts of publishers and media outlets.

As a Digger I observed some bizarre happenings in my 12 or so years in the ADF. Some of those memories are not pleasant. In my subsequent years as a civilian I have observed and witnessed equally - if not substantially more abberrant behaviour since.

When humans are denied or frustrated in their natural functions, then weird behaviour is exhibited whether in private or in some cases - publicly. It is not exclusive of gender - just visit a women's prison and observe the behaviour there.

When theology proscribes by the relevant deity just how a womans body is to be treated by men, then the issues of equality have been chucked out the window. The Old Testament was possibly sound advice 6,000 years ago, but modern medicine has since given us better knowledge of things.

What then if we evolved from 'matrilineal' as opposed to 'patrilineal' Judeo-Christian forebears? Would we have been spared the Germaine Greers, Emily Pankhurst's and others along the way? Would there have been less warfare waged over the aeons?

No, without doubt most war as such is waged by men against other men who don't have the testicular fortitiude to do the dirty work themselves.

In short to paraphrase old American General Smedley Butler - "War is just a racket, and I've been a racketeer for those corporations playing the game..."

So the more rifles they manufacture to put in the hands of soldiers who need to be fed, clothed, medically attended to or whatever in an army at war - so much the better for the corporation bosses, and the parasitic politicians who feed off them.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Monday, 25 September 2006 9:33:01 PM
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Before Melinda Tankard Reist passes judgement,I think she should go to Iraq and experience hell on earth.She has no idea what these soldiers are going through.They are not getting support form home because of Bush's stupidity,and our armed services are at the lowest ebb in their history as far as morale goes.

Just remember Melinda,when the oil stops flowing from the Middle East because of religious hatred,our transport and basic necessities such as food and clothing will become very scarce commodities.

Do you have any comprehension of real poverty?No social security or safety nets of any sort.We as individuals are then totally alone fighting each other over diminishing resources.

One thing is certain about reality,you don't know what it's like till your've been there.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 25 September 2006 10:24:54 PM
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Defending our freedom to whinge? Since when has one soldier been sent to Iraq to protect one of us?

Here is what they are doing in that hell hole.

1. They are protecting diplomats and business men out for a quick quid - protecting our wheat sales and trying to get in on the oil wells which is what we have always done in Iraq. Pray tell me what is the point now that the entire world knows our wheat sales were gained on the backs of bribery and corruption and outright theft of $300 million by the wheat board? Pray tell me why we should get any "in" on the oil wells when some of the BHP people are liable to be sent to prison for theft from the starving women and children of Iraq - all in the name of commerce of course.

2. They are training "soldiers" and arming them with multiple weapons so they can then join either the sunni or shi'ite militias and slaughter each other in the thousands while we train more.

3. We should remember that the Iraqis were not supposed to be our enemies ever, we were there to liberate them. Kapeesh.

The pornography on the walls is what leads to thugs like Stephen Green stalking a 14 year old girl, raping her, murdering her and burning her body before slaughtering her family and then going back for a beer.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:15:43 AM
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TEAM !

The most alarming thing I find in many of the comments (Cornflower,Kalin etc) is the inability to separate a very important social and spiritual issue from the personality and views of the author on other matters.

I don't see any posts getting to the core of the matter.

Let's give credit where it is due and rebuke where it is due.

Kalin said "Since when has it been 'oppression' to view women in a certain way"

Ok.. I take the point that this is an 'angle' on the feminist mantras, which should be criticized, BUT... the more important issue by far, is that viewing women as "sex objects" is a tragic and sad commentary on just how far we have fallen from Grace.
The dehumanizing, soul destroying, character denying,personality using aspects.... all encompassed in the word 'lust' .. where we put aside the 'responsibility' aspects of the male female union, and just go with groin instinct......are testimony to where we have descended to in our morally relativistic 'broad and easy' road to destruction.

Another poster mentioned the wives, girlfriends,mothers and fathers of the recruits. I have to say that if I saw my son with that background I'd be wounded so deeply it aint funny.

If we want to rip into Melinda for 'feminism'..ok..sure.. but do it when she speaks about that agenda specifically. Let's not be blinded to the terrible consequences of objectified human relations.

Every time I fill up with petrol, I experience a combination of sadness and anger, as I pass the rows upon rows of pornography on the shelves. Sad that gullable people are sucked into this, and ANGER that people would seek to profit from such weakness.

Marilyn Shepherd tends to rant incessantly, but.. she does have a point on the 'hidden agenda'. I can promise, that the further we are alienated from God and Godliness, the more brutal and manifest that hidden agenda will become.
May God forgive us. (but will we turn ?)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 6:19:20 AM
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David Boaz,

You seem to be assuming that people are condemning the Author on this point, simply because they disagree with her on other points.

I don't think that's the case. For me the real issue is this - in any democracy, adults ought to be allowed to decide what they look and how they look at whatever they look at.

You, like the author, are apparently mortified that other adult citizens of this country find such material pleasing. Be mortified, be disapproving, even urge others not to enjoy such material - that is your right, but it is equally the right of other adults to enjoy such material.

These soldiers are away at war and will have very little privacy for an extended period, so we ought to cut them some slack.

Censoring smutty magazines is the first step down the slippery slope toward women wearing tents. There really isn't much difference.
Posted by Kalin, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 11:11:26 AM
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There is probably another very good reason why the soldiers have placed these pictures on their barracks wall - because they can. Step outside and you don't.

They probably also enjoy a beer or two ("two cans, per day, per man perhaps") which would probably not be tolerated too well outside their compound.

They probably enjoy a bacon and egg breakfast or a spit pig, roast pork or chop.

They tuck into lunch during Ramadam and give the local kids chocolate and lollies.

The Australian girls at the airport don't wear burkas.

They do these things because they have the freedom to do so.
Posted by Narcissist, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 11:24:27 AM
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