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'An Inconvenient Truth': climate change is indeed a moral issue : Comments
By Bob Carter, published 20/9/2006Al Gore nails his colours firmly to the climate alarmist mast.
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Posted by David Latimer, Wednesday, 27 September 2006 2:58:38 PM
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If anyone thinks the reasoning to be unsound then I would suggest putting your ideas directly to the scientists. In this electronic age there is little reason for resurrecting dodgy arguments.
The latest research suggests that ice loss from Greenland increased 250% in the two years to April 2006 compared to the previous two year period. http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/geowissenschaften/bericht-71009.html http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn9717&feedId=online-news_rss20 But it is no surprise to see such vocal sceptics. The property at risk from rising sea levels is in the trillions, so dont expect any property developer flogging low lying developments to be convinced by the science anytime soon. And dont expect to see governments receiving substantial tax revenue from these developments to pay the climate change threat anything more than lip service. Posted by Fester, Wednesday, 27 September 2006 3:32:39 PM
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lets not forget Greenland was inhabited by adventurous humans not long ago who lived,died,built etc-whats happening in Greenland is within normal variation and proves zip.More clutching at straws.
Let's seperate theory from reality.Why are believers still trying to prove the theory if they already believe.If they are a little unconvinced,we sceptics welcome you. The most frightening thing for this sceptic is the radical believers are already cooking up "cures"with even dodgier science than their half baked theory. To me it's like phrenology,manifest destiny,terra nullius,phlogesteron etc trendy mumbo jumbo masquerading as wisdom. Posted by CARBONARI, Wednesday, 27 September 2006 6:36:26 PM
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Proving greenhouse warming theory false - enter RECCE Theory (Regional-Ectopi-Climate-Catastrophe-Event Theory)
American coasts 28 Sept 2005/2006 05:http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/tmp/sha1159418498.gif 06:http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/tmp/sha1159418434.gif Notice the loss of large anomalies around US coasts and a general loss of comlexity in deep ocean and GOM anomaly structuring (lower ENTROPY) b NSW (Drought) East coast after warning on local forum about bushfires and causal effects from coastal pollution: 28 Sept 05 http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/tmp/sha1159419320.gif 25-Sept-06: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/tmp/sha1159419452.gif 28 Sept 06: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/tmp/sha1159419302.gif Notice a slight improvement in coastal entropy (SHA structuring) from the 25th Sept when the warning was issued and 28 Sept. This indicates action has been taken to mitigate wastewaters along the NSW coast in the last 2 days. This will dampen bushfire threats in NSW this coming summer if mitigation efforts persist. Also note the similarity in heavy SHA structuring for 2005/2006 at Sept 25, before suspected mitigation occurred. As a control, Japan and China coastal seas Sept 28: 05: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/tmp/sha1159418939.gif 06: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/tmp/sha1159419110.gif Note that little has changed from 05 to 06. In fact coastal areas of China show increased strength of high SHA anomalies this year compared to last year indicating a rise in coastal pollution. Conclusion: These maps indicate that wastewater mitigation is in effect in the US and the TWA and is persisting as the hurricane season draws to an end. This is good news for future seasons as it shows that procedures are in place to keep coastal waters clean and hurricane free at relatively short notice and presumably at fairly small cost. A persistent mitigation in NSW coastal wastewater emissions along with a mild bushfire season and a reduction in drought levels would reinforce this conclusion. I will be monitoring this development over the coming 5 months. PS save the maps! Temporary only. Posted by KAEP, Thursday, 28 September 2006 3:49:20 PM
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Kaep, dont forget that an event can have more than one contributing cause.
And let us separate faith from facts. Measuring the melt rate of Greenland’s ice sheet is a scientific exercise. Measuring rising sea levels is a scientific exercise. To say that the change in Greenland’s ice sheet is within normal limits without supporting evidence is faith. What is of importance is being able to accurately measure change. I think it of some relevance to know if a proposed development could be threatened by rising sea levels in a few decades. If such an event were within normal limits, then that would only make the planners more culpable. So I doubt that councils will be using the “within normal limits” line as a legal defence. As for the cures cooked up by radicals with dodgy science, I would welcome elaboration. The research I am aware of relates to solar, wind, geothermal and nuclear technology, and techniques for synthesising fuel from otherwise unused and sometimes polluting biomass. And as the present atmospheric composition is overwhelmingly due to microbial activity over billions of years, research is also active on this front. Some of the research taking place offers the prospect of improving human life and is anything but dodgy. The only dodgy things I see are some of the deals taking place which seem closer to nepotism than problem solving. Posted by Fester, Thursday, 28 September 2006 5:14:07 PM
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Fester,
You haven't a clue what you are talking about. Save your crumby no-account detractions for after the season is over. Otherwise you won't last the distance. On the other hand I will be investigating the next 5 months of NSW summer with the support of 3 years experience analysing and correctly predicting the US hurricane season for 2006 using SHA and SST maps. As for NSW, so far it looks like wastewater cleanup efforts around Brissy and Grafton could signal a reversal from what is currently predicted to be the worst bushfire and drought season on record, to a mild season. I will know from the maps in advance and you will just have to watch and learn .. if you have the stamina to keep up. I will be looking for a substantial cleanup of the deep sea outfall SHA anomaly off Sydney. If we see that then this bushfire season is all but OVER. 5 MONTHS TO GO .... let's see what the Morris, Frank and the HowardBullKoperberg conundrum can come up with shall we. Cleaning up those plumes off NSW is a lot cheaper than a day's SKYCRANE flight. Posted by KAEP, Thursday, 28 September 2006 7:29:04 PM
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Brilliant! Very funny!
Response to Kang:
I find it hard to believe also. Nevertheless, according to the JCU website Bob Carter is an adjunct research fellow and not a chair. Unless you know of or genuinely suspect him having such corporate relationships, then I feel its a bad policy to ask someone to defend themselves without cause.