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Think morally - rejecting the coercive adoption of Aussie values : Comments

By Mirko Bagaric, published 21/9/2006

Aussie values - mateship, hard work and respect for women. And all the tourists want to do is sit on the beach!

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Well I think this one is trouble

"assist others in serious trouble when assistance would immensely help them at no or little inconvenience to oneself."

So, lets say in the progress of your work you come across a situation where, if you assisted a person in serious trouble, it would negatively damage your reputation too because of the position you hold. Say a Police for instance in a matter that involved abuse of their power.

What then? Does the fact that it will also negatively impact on you justify the turning of a blind eye.

Is that a value that we need or a value that some want so that they can cover up for their mates and protect the reputation of those that abuse their power?
Posted by Jolanda, Thursday, 21 September 2006 2:52:42 PM
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Thanks Mirko for sticking up for true liberalism.

I accept that Sells' believes it's necessary to look into Christian values in order to become an ethical agent - and I respect his view. But I think there are many other ways to achieve the same thing - and that's the point of liberalism.

If you can improve your ethical character through meditating on Christian values, good on you. Doesn't oblige me or anybody else to, tho'. We can find plenty of other ways that works for us, thanks.

A liberal society increases the potential for all of us to become more ethical, since it's not "one size fits all".
Posted by Mercurius, Thursday, 21 September 2006 5:12:11 PM
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During a discussion between actors regarding accents in Europe recently, it was decided the hardest accent to imitate was Australian and many said it was to difficult to do. When pressed, one said, the only way to imitate an Aussie was to smile as you talk and most of the worlds cultures aren't relaxed enough to do that, so its very difficult.

Multiculturalism leads to one outcome, multi ways of destroying a society. True Aussies, smile (grin) when speaking as the culture we developed gave everyone a reason to grin and be relaxed. Now the grin is disappearing as is our unique culture, under the guise of multi culture, but it's really multi opposing ideologies in growing conflict.

Mirko along with others pushing this deadly barrow, can't grin when they speak, as their culture has removed the smile of life with violence and suppression. Now they want to bring us down to their level to get equality, as they are incapable of reaching the evolutionary heights of Australian culture.

The reason they can't pin our cultural norm down, is because it's beyond their understanding. Most of the worlds cultures haven't evolved and are still in their infantile, 'I'm right' stage of development. Mirko wears that hat with pride

World cultures have been inert for hundreds and even thousand of years, so only have a past to offer and a violent one at that. Multiculturalism is a death sentence for this country as it has been for all others, throughout history.

People pushing their cultural barrow, are traitors to this country and will never be Aussie as they have no idea what it is. Like all cultural ideologies, what they can't understand, they denounce and try to destroy. Typical of the unevolved mono believers.
Posted by The alchemist, Thursday, 21 September 2006 5:21:03 PM
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Ethics is not a matter of meditating on of a set of values Christian or otherwise. Rather a character who acts ethically out of habit is formed by a community that shares a common narrative. In the churches case this narrative is the Christian story. Liberal lists of the good are minimalist, this version is even shorter than the 10 commandments. They tell us nothing about who we are, where we come from and the way we are to go. They give us no identity, no character out of which to act. They are law and as Paul says, the law kills when it is used as the sole basis of ones life. Secular ethics has given us political correctness a blanket that smothers real discussion in the pretense that we are all nice. We are not nice! Read any great novel of the Western canon and you will find how nasty, confused and fearful of death we are. Again I must insist that we cannot be taught to be good by taking values seriously. Our plight is deeper than not knowing right from wrong. It is not knowing who we are.
Posted by Sells, Thursday, 21 September 2006 5:29:09 PM
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So it's suppposed to be morally correct of me to reject values espoused by my culture is it?

I don't think so.

Suffering from cultural cringe are we? A new migrant perhaps or one who just can't accept just being Australian.

If you don't like it here or like us our culture our lifestyle our values.... MIGRATE. There's bound to be somewhere you'll be happy.
I'm happy here, or was until the crock called multiculturalism was foisted upon us. Now we have a situation where "many" cultures are set to replace the Australian culture.

Forget it multiculture only existed because we had a culture and society willing to tolerate the experiment... well now is the time we ended it.
Posted by T800, Thursday, 21 September 2006 10:10:58 PM
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Sorry T800, it is you that will have to leave if you are not happy. Australian culture is multiculture. Has been for the last 200 years of white settlement. As there is no way you can separate out your supposed pure Australian culture, accept reality or move out. Of course if you want to stay, learn to embrace and enjoy our cultural diversity.
Posted by rossco, Thursday, 21 September 2006 10:21:54 PM
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