Funny how men accuse fems of being man-hating carpet lickers, only to see women accuse mens issues as syptomatic of hating women. Havent heard any small falus, gay jibes yet, tho they cannot be too far away.

Projection is right on the money, or as a child would put it...

'takes one to know one.'

Yet again in this 'debate' the sound of another person shooting themselves in the foot.

This is getting very old. The thoroughly predictable responses and terms of engagement are getting very tedious. Its pointless to engage the ideological opponent around rhetoric. Its far more productive to convert the convertible, tho l suspect they need no active conversion as they seem to be adjusting in the spirit of 'staying out of harms way.'

Wot a bummer this whole gender snore and battle of the exs is becoming.

peace.

trade1985 wrote; "Funny how men accuse fems of being man-hating carpet lickers, only to see women accuse mens issues as syptomatic of hating women."

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Author, "The Women's Room"

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, MS. Magazine Editor

"The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified as a lesbian to be fully feminist." -U.S. National organization for Women Times.

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan,

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo." -- Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." -- Andrea Dworkin

The SCUM (Society for cutting up men) manifesto, was started by Valerie Solana

I guess all the above quotes are just an urban myth.

There has been a push by feminist groups to make inciting hatred against women a crime and to monitor mens groups, yet conversely inciting hatred against men is not a crime.

Well trade1985 there are a number of valuable books that can be read.
Professing Feminism, Who Stole Feminism, Heterophobia, The Sex Change Society, Spreading Misandry, Not Guilty in Defense of the Modern Man.

Read these books if you are game!

JamesH wrote: Hedgepig! Toby Green is a woman. He He He

So, I gather, is Cornflower!! You don't have to have a y chromosome to spout misogynist drivel.

JamesH, you write incessantly about all the horrible things women say and do and think, and yet you seem to think it entirely unreasonable for anyone to interpret your continuous stream of invective as evidence of your misogyny. You claim that women are liars, that they are manipulative, that they are commodities (and expensive ones at that!), that their movement for equality is comparable with Stalinism, and resembles Orwell's Animal Farm. How much more evidence of obsessive misogyny do I need?
As for your lecture in pop psychology, I'm quite comfortable saying that I dislike you because your denial of the reality of many women's abuse at the hands of men - many of whom are close relatives - is despicable and makes me angry. Have I owned my feelings loudly enough for you? How about owning up to yours?

Hedgepig writes, "JamesH, you write incessantly about all the horrible things women say and do and think, and yet you seem to think it entirely unreasonable for anyone to interpret your continuous stream of invective as evidence of your misogyny."

I believe it is unreasonable for Hedgehog (or anybody) to malign a person's intentions as misogynistic, on the basis that they state and quote evidence from diverse places to illustrate their argument.

If one writes and states the history of Hitler and his Nazis, does this then mean necessarily that that person hates Germans? I think not. It simply shows that they are learned of their history. Any other interpretations of the writer's motives are subjective conclusions of the reader - probably based on their own subjective experiences.

Criticism of feminism is not an act of misogyny. Those who criticise feminism are not by definition, misogynists. Feminist does not equal woman. But you probably DO have to have a Y chromosome to understand the simple logic of that argument without one's f-e-e-e-lings getting in the way - depending on one's time of the month of course.

So, all this hanging around genitals is a mere reflection on a role of gender in societies.

In Australia, a self-indulged parasite on world achievements, prostitution and gambling are the most contemporary major areas of activities requiring no male specialisation and physical force at all.

Regrettably, a different story is in an Islamic world where manhood constitutes a very engine for a living development and improvement.

Can one unite sun and moon performing their extinctive features simultaneously?
Can one unite summer and winter in the same physical moment?
Can one produce ice and boiling pattern from the same volume of water in the same glass under the same physical conditions?

Please, explain.

Hedgepig this forum is about dissing men. It is not about the abuse of women.

Stick to the arguement.

I have spent many years analysing, dissecting and navel gazing to the n'th degree. Trying to discover what it is about being a man that oppresses women. I went looking for the holy grail of male power and privilege. Like those that set out on the quest for the holy grail, I came up empty handed.

If you bother to read any of the books that I have listed you will find everything I have written mentioned in those books.

As too my feelings towards you. I don't know you, to make a judgement as to whether I like you or not. I may dislike a persons political views, but still like that person for who they are.

I think it was Bettina Arndt who wrote 'women do not like being shown their true colours!'

I am well and truly past feeling angry about what people chose to write about.