Rainier

This week, The West Australian's main topic has been on the Nyoongar people's landmark win, securing native title over the Perth metropolitan area and paving the way for a larger claim over the state's South-West.

In addition, "The Carpenter Government is behind a push for Aboriginals to gain control of a staggering 27 million hectares of WA - an area the size of Victoria".

And you, Rainier, will always play the victim! You should be rejoicing that this nation is attempting to correct the failings of past governments. It takes time, Ranier and common sense, but you will remain bitter and vengeful with the "poor me" attitude!!

I was raised in a humpy with a dirt floor, by a wonderful Mother who was deaf and partially blind. I was advised to commence my first job on the day I turned 14, to assist my family in abandoning the humpy and move on to better things. We did - and without assistance from any agencies. Am I whinging - not at all! In fact, I relate this story with much pride! As I said in a previous post, Rainier - stop your sookin' and cease denigrating your own people by bragging that you write better English than they do - some of your people far exceed your skills on the written word!

Ghassan - an excerpt from today's West Australian - Letters to the Editor: "It is now the Muslims' holy month when they all fast from dawn till dusk and when I return to the United Arab Emirates I will be expected to fast or to eat in the privacy of my home. Even though I don't follow their beliefs, if I am caught eating, drinking, smoking, playing music in my car or dressing inappropriately I will be fined or jailed. These are the terms and conditions of living in a Muslim country. It's their lifestyle and it sticks".

What was it you said about Australian values, Ghassan?

Dickie,

You seem to confuse me (perhaps deliberately) as 'playing the victim ' every time I simply point out the facts of the social, legal and racial control of Aboriginal people - including myself.

This 'victim playing' accusation is an old ploy that I’ve been accused of before. Its a useful rhetorical device that allows the accuser to avoid any conscious acknowledgement of the facts before them whilst singing up their own rugged individualism. Just as you have done.

I personally don't think I'm a victim, a fighter yes, but never a victim as this is someone who has conceded defeat. I never have & never will.

And it just so happens that I had the honour of sitting in the court with the Noongar people to hear Justice Wilcox's determination.

I rejoiced with them, we hugged and shook hands. It was a social justice victory I will never forget. I was truly honoured to be there with the soveriegn and traditional owners.

On the other side of the court I witnessed the hateful stares of people like yourself.

People who would have accused them of playing victim. Just like you.
And this nation is NOT attempting to right the wrongs of the past as you suggest- quite the contrary - Aboriginal people are litigating in courts for often small concessions because this NATION will not deliver of its own volition – just reparations. And how can you speak for the whole nation anyway?

As for my literacy skills - read my post again (doh!) - I was referring to the low expectations of white people like you rather than of my own.

And by the way - I don't believe for a minute you would know what a humpy looks like. You shouldn’t make things up just to qualify and support your belief in your own lies. That's very unAustralian, not true blue of you!

Rainier

Gawd blimey! I hope there aren't too many like you out there!! If there are, then our future sure is in jeopardy! Get some help, Rainier - pronto!

And the contents of your very defensive post - hatred, revenge!!

"On the other side of the court, I witnessed the hateful stares from people like yourself". What's a "hateful stare"? Did they say anything? Did you stare them out - give them the fingers in your victory? Oh boy, I trust you don't live in my part of the woods!

Is it your hatred of the "invaders" of this nation which compels you to declare: "I don't believe for one minute you would know what a humpy looks like". Wrong again, Rainier - why do you make such brash assertions?

Keep it up Rainier. I doubt your irrational and arrogant attempts to kick-start and incite dissension amongst your own or any other Aussies will afford you any credibility.

Dickie, Yawn! you gotta do something about your white middle class guilt. Puleese!

dickie, i have lived most of my life in indiginous communities and believe me rainier is rather smartly exploiting the ignorant academic nonsensical brainwashing whitlam legacy. sadly, he does not appear to have sufficient integrity to use his education to contribute in the struggle for a better society. instead he is using the knowledge provided to him by the very society he despises to perpetuate hatred for a reason he probably doesn't even know. maybe ghassam was in his ear. unfortunately rainier is not to blame for this mentality, the fault lies with the ignorant do-gooders for reasons which don't require an explanation to a sober observer. it saddens me when people claim victimisation (rainer if you can think of a more appropriate term please correct me) which did not actually happen to them personally. yes a lot of australian abborigines have had their way of life drastically altered a hundred or more years ago by people whose life was drastically altered too when they unwittingly became invaders but to claim discrimination in the past 50 years is plain hypocricy.

Pragma

Your posts reveal a refreshing insight into this debate and your innate wisdom brings to memory an old proverb:

"One cannot shake hands with a clenched fist"

I trust that the seditious Ghassan and the very racist militant, Rainier may reflect on the contents of that proverb.

Perhaps they will also reflect on the fact that no-one chooses their parents, their historical epoch or the country of their birth.

May I also remind them that if it wasn't for the sacrifice by mainly "white" Australians during World War one and two, it is unlikely that either of these whingers would be "suffering" in this wonderful country or gobbling on the fruits of our labour!

Hopefully, both these "victims" will buggar off for a while and give us a much needed break!