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By Nayeefa Chowdhury, published 7/9/2006Are Islam and Australia values mutually exclusive?
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Posted by Scout, Friday, 8 September 2006 1:51:58 PM
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Madame Curie actually discovered radiation and it killed her. Now it is killing thousands of people each year after the US put it on their nice, white, christian bombs.
Penicillin was invented in Adelaide by two Australian doctors. Having said that - I have to take on most of the tripe on this forum especially the notion that Islam is trying to take over Australia. As muslims are still out numbered by 70:1 I wonder just what is the proof of that? Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Friday, 8 September 2006 1:55:35 PM
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" Add pornography to alcoholism, and you will get precisely the explanations for the steady increase in sexual assaults and incests on the record in Australia for the past ten years. "
Correct. Yeah, we are all pornographers. We are all drunkards. Similarly, " Add violence to rape, and you will get precisely the explanations for the steady increase in terrorist activities and rapes in all Muslim/Islamic countries for the past 1600 years. " You are all terrorists. Your(men) are all rapists. Posted by tit_for_tat, Friday, 8 September 2006 1:59:35 PM
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Am sure if you asked Nayeefa, she would admit that cranks exist in her society too, it being populated with humans.
No doubt we see a double standard at work in Indonesia as xenophobia has oafish drug mules in even more trouble than local bomb-throwing wingnuts. But in Australia double-standards also exist, that slip below the consciousnes of locals. For example, during the recent "defence" of Israel in Lebanon, an Jewish Australian joined the Israeli army and was killed in Lebanon. He was lauded as a hero. No one questioned if he had a conflict of loyalty between Australia and Israel and no one called him a "terrorist" for being part of an action that killed a thousand people in Lebanon alone, generally civilians. Had his name been "Hicks" or "Habib", he would have been reviled, despite feelng he was defending Australia's honour by siding with the underdog in some war-ruined corner of the world and whether he had actually picked up a weapon. I've seen some silly stuff in this thread about Muslim societies falling by the wayside. Where would we be without Cordoba, Avicenna and the like? The rise of alienation and conservatism is a global phenomenon. It comes in the wake of Neo Liberalism and Globalisation and is driven by exclusion and uncertainty, as the Western Empire and Big Business continue to expropriate resources away from locales. Locals are left bewildered, with only older certainties for reassurance and consolation. The promise of Democracy offered by the West after WW2 has proven hollow, with Business as Usual resuming its normal place as the exclusive priority. Where else have people to go but nostalgia and consumerist pop-culture (in the secular West), or religion elsewhere? The "War of Civilisations" is such a crude and false dichotomy. Invented from the most base of motives by the neo con, Huntingdon and worked today by black propagandists like Paul Kelly, it is a form of "wedge" employed by the privileged minority reacting from a pitifully misconceived conception of self-interest. We superstitiously cling to power and wealth the way illiterate religious cling to culture. Posted by funguy, Friday, 8 September 2006 2:10:19 PM
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Nayeefa: In the nicest possible way - you are either a complete fool or a liar.Perhaps your letter is an example of - taqiyya - you know what that is don't you?
islam w/ships 'hubal' the moon god of mecca not an omniscient God.It carries a crescent moon on its standards in respect for this arabic god. islam promotes human rights principles - this is completely wrong how many democratic islamic nations are there in this world? Was does 'Sense and Sensibility' have to do with the way Western woman are treated today? In many - that's many islamic nations if a woman takes a man to court alleging rape then this "free and equal member of a moslem society" has to produce three males who have witnessed the whole sordid rape to testify for her. If she cannot prove her case then she is adjudged to have committed adultery and can be executed. By the way the word of a moslem woman is worth half of the word of a moslem male you must know this! What exactly does the Western civilisation owe to islam? just what? I think Nayeefa it is the other way around. I see you as an apologist for a death loving, anti-democratic, brutal, misogynistic utterly false, dare I say a pagan religion.. It's not the Methodist Ladies Guild that promotes and is part of terrorism in this world nor the YWCA would you believe - no it's the bloody as in gory moslems trying to get their 70 perp. virgins and 32 untouched boys. Regards, numbat Posted by numbat, Friday, 8 September 2006 2:36:15 PM
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Marilyn,
"I felt entirely safe with 130 young Afghan men that night" Tell your cock-and-bull stories in islamic universities. In the real world, you'll be elevated like this: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/4.htm Posted by tit_for_tat, Friday, 8 September 2006 2:48:06 PM
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And time will prove coach wrong.
BTW - doesn't mean I agree with everything that Nayeefa has to say - just her right to say it.