Fundies of all major religions do these things that is why they should be opposed whatever their flavour.

Well, don't expect them to introduce life insurance any time soon! see http://weekbyweek7.blogspot.com/

Mineral resources of Somalia:

Uranium and largely unexploited reserves of iron ore, tin, gypsum, bauxite, copper, salt. Likely oil reserves.

- hmmmmmmmmm. I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

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Onya Bashir....

when a Muslim is as honest as you, it is most difficult to even want to point out anything which might be a bit hurtful, even though it is true.
Its worth considering though that when Mohamed did not like Kaab Bin Al Ashrafs poetry he arranged a 'hit' on him....

And Ayesha was 6 when he married her and 9 when he consumated the marraige.

Let me just say this. For the good things he said..and did, may Gods grace be upon him. But at the same time, for the bad things, Gods justice also must be expected. As it is for us all.

Rather than highlight Mohameds 'sins' let me highlight Gods Grace.
Sin is sin, where small or large. We all miss the target of perfection whether by a milimeter of a mile.

I point to Jesus, The Christ, Messiah, forgiver of Sin on His own authority.. "I am in the Father and the Father is in me"
When asked to show the Father to the disiples, he responded
"Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me" ?

This is the glorious truth that has given us "2006"... our time is referenced to the wonderful Saviour, redeemer and friend...Immanuel, God with us... who died on a cross for our sins, and rose for our justification.
He who gives us hope, peace and ultimately "in my Fathers house, there are many rooms".

Let us look to Him, the author and finisher of our faith, and avert our gaze from mere humans and their inconsistent scoreboards of life.

Bashir, Islamists may do all those vile and nasty things you say but in Australia they aren't shunned; they're invited to taxpayer-funded gabfests. They are also given the green light by our government to publish and distribute literature calling for our destruction. Our elected 'leaders' don't share your concerns.

Surely it can't be possible for these Islamists to break bread with our PM and his claquers one week and want to do something evil the next week. What about all the assurances we've been given? One that springs to mind is 'multiculturalism will enrichen the tapestry of the Australian way of life'. Not bad eh? And so what if a few of them want to kill us. As long as the majority of them vote Lib-NP or ALP there's nothing to worry about. And think about it...if the 7:10am train from Mudville to the City should explode what is the likelihood of a VIP being on that train? None.

Bashir, you're an alarmist.

Good article Bashir,

I noticed an interesting trend: fundamentalism seems to follow poor economical, resource management and opressive regimes.

I knew many somalians and they are good moderate people in nature.

The dictatoral Islamists ,by demonstrating force and violence to achieve their ends are simply showing their weaknesses and sowing the seeds of their own inevitable destruction.
It would be a primitive part of the world who cannot see the freedom and worth of democracy now.
Those who wish to live by medievil ,dark ways should be sent back to the places where that system belongs.
Such systems are a hindrance to living, the world does not go backwards, it spins onwards and the human race must go onwards too.
Or live in the darkness like a blind mole.

Bashir

I enjoyed your article. It has given me some insights and a lot to think about.

Thank you
Kay

Sage,
Can you recall who made the statement--'multiculturalism will enrichen the taperstry of the Australian way of life'

Yeah, celebrations after 9/11 at Lakemba, single blokes getting bashed by gangs of Lebs, intimidation and abuse of girls and women and Cronulla and Brighton. I suppose the multiculturalists think the girls that were gang raped had their lives enriched by the experience.

Tonight on TV a woman shop owner forced to shut her business because of Muslim intimidation. Wonderfull isn't it.

The PM, or some other person of note, makes a simple observation about some muslims not intergrating and they are crying victimisation.

I would like to know who made that statement about MC.

It really is sad to continue to read post by the ignorare few. AS it is said you can't reason with someone who has come to a unreasonable idea. Banjo are you offended by all the multiculturalist destroying your way of life. do you hate none English people like Italians or Greeks? Maybe it's the Asians or the Indians that bother you? Is black people that offends you? Or maybe it's Jews you hate, is that it? Or do you lie awake at night worrying about the reds under your bed.

Grow up wake up countries that haven’t embraced tolerance and multiculturalism are the ones in trouble. Just remember when your crossing the street to get away from those nasty lebs hanging around a take away that your more like to be run over then be killed by a terrorist.

Banjo, I think the quote was uttered by none other than living treasure and demigod, RJL Hawke. It was uttered after the 1988 release of report on multiculturalism. Academic and former diplomat Dr Stephen FitzGerald had some unpleasant things to say in the report. I think a collision between FitzGerald's facts and the multicultural lobby was imminent so Hawke tried to assuage any ill-will that FitzGerald’s report might create.

I could be wrong about who said it (it might have been Teddy Bear smuggler Mick Young or another ALP heavy) so I will make an effort to research it in the coming months.

Don’t be afraid to express your view. If you are accused of any vileness just hide it behind a religion or say your acidulent character is part of your rich culture

Kenny !
will you please stop referring to that social virus that most of us are by now immune to .. "multiculturalism" :)

Its DEAD.. as in..the bullet has been fired, the aim is spot on.. it just has not yet hit the target between the eyes....

SAGE.. wise words mate.

Thanks sage for that info. If I was to guess I would have picked Whitlam, Grazzby or Frazer, they being the main ones around at the time MC was implemented. I'll file the info as it could be very usefull.

Kenny. Knowing nothing about me you conclude that I am full of hate for all sorts of people and fearfull of others. How come? Simply because I see shortcomings of MC? Or is it that because you cannot bear being shown some of the baggage that MC carries, and you cannot counter it, you resort to personal attack.

People that support integration do not hate others. They say 'Welcome, be part of our society' I prefer to call new comers 'New Australians'. Their ethnicity is not important. It is their willingness to be part of our society that is most important.

It is not good enough to say we are MC and therefore you can do as your culture dictates. There are many aspects of other cultures that either are against the law or socially unacceptable to us and we should make this perfectly clear to prospective immigrants.

I agree with the PM and incidently, so do some Muslim leaders. I also agree with what Peter Costello said a few months ago and what that NZ Parliamentarian said a few weeks back.

After 30 or so years of trial, MC is shown to be a defunct, unworkable ideology and the sooner it dissappears totally the better. We have wasted Millions of both State and Federal funds proping it up for far too long.

You claim that the countries that have not embraced tolerance and MC are the ones in trouble. Well just have a good look around. England and many European countries are in a terrible pickle simply because of MC. Law and order there is breaking down and ethnic violence common.
European countries are now waking up to their folly

I suggest you remove your blinkers and your rose coloured glasses and take a look at the real world.

Well said Banjo, every country that's multi cultural and multi monotheistic, is a basket case. MC is dead, just hasn't laid down yet. I also agree with mickijo, “Those who wish to live by medievil ,dark ways should be sent back to the places where that system belongs.”

It does raise one problem though, would we have enough ships to carry all the jews, muslin and christians to the middle east, after all, that's their origins and their all in this together.

Debates like this have no ending, just get more and more frustrating for those with religious agenda's. What really bugs me is as long as I can remember, we've been told by monotheists coming here from other countries, that we have no culture, Australia is a culture less country.

The sad thing is monotheists are to ignorant to recognise freedom, acceptance and mateship when they see it. They lead their lives controlled by their beliefs, so can only discriminate, not assimilate or accept. All monotheistic beliefs are discriminative and have but one agenda, convert and control.

Only one solution, ban the expression of religion, wearing of religious clothing or paraphernalia in public. Ban all non Australian language in media, advertising and print, anyone who can't speak Australian within a year remove them. This is our country, not some place where the moronic followers of god can install their barbaric cultures and bizarre morals, by stealth or aggression. If you believe in god, your certainly sleeping with the devil

Multiculturalism 'dead', DB?

Terriffic. Back to the old witchetty grubs & grilled bluetongue for dinner tonight.

Last Australia Day, stinking hot, down at the local public pool.

Group of adolescents of both genders and varying ethnicities skylarking in the deep end.

Suddenly from the group I hear this girl's voice, broad Australian accent, yell:

"Stop pulling me f**king hijab off, or I'll belt ya!"

Great point Bennie! - in the wise cogent diction of The Herd:

"Captain Cook was the very first queue jumper
It was immigrant labour that made Australia plumper
Enough is enough, whiteys go pack your stuff
Don't wanna live in England? That's f**g tough
I'm sick and tired of this redneck wonderland
Most've you stay silent and I can't understand."

Snout and Mon

let me put it as simply as possible.

"Australian first, ethnicity second and fading"

That pretty well sums up my whole position.

Our goal should be in my view to create a sense of Australian-ness apart from any ethnicity. This includes English/Irish/Scottish as well as the various European and Asian sources of migrants.

The Australia post world war II migrants came to had a particular cultural flavor/texture and social/legal structure.
Migrants were 'INVITED' to come.. not to bring their histories and ethnic conflicts or racist views of other ethnicities here, but to build and defend a more robust Australia. But lets be clear on one thing. It was an Australia that had a culture and character and language.

While we are enriched and benefit from new foods, and the contribution which other cultures inevitably bring simply by the first generation rubbing shoulders with the existing inhabitants, there are reasonable limits which most would understand.

The simple rule should be "Do for others as you would have them do for you in your old country".

Would they like us to erect signage everywhere that only we can read ?
or..set up clubs to which only our ethnicity is welcome? Or establish newsprint which is unintelligable to them ? (creating immediate suspicion) or chaneling economic activity and trade along our own ethnic lines in their country ? etc etc... in short, we don't go to another country to create a 'state within a state' to use some contemporary jargon.

Such terms as little Italy, Little Greece, Chinatown etc are ethnocentric at best, and racist at worst. They certainly do NOT contribute to a homogenous and well integrated, cohesive society free from ethnic strife.

In the case of Islam, and Muslims, there are special issues of importance. Europeans of 'Christian' background are immediately compatable. Muslims are not. The world view is different in a way which will ultimately lead to conflict. "Lambing Flat 2" ?

I don't know about all you lot but I am fed up to the back teeth
with all the bleating Casar Trad and his ilk go on
about complaining that moslems are being picked on and profiled.

Why doesn't someone just say to them "Yeah ! I wonder why ?"

Boaz you will never learn will you?

Your recent bit of vilification reads: "in the case of Islam, and Muslims, there are special issues of importance. Europeans of 'Christian' background are immediately compatable. Muslims are not."

Islam, Judaism and Christianity share the same roots - you know this is true.

The major difference between Islam and Christianity is about 600 years. Islam is stuck in the 12th century and Christianity is stuck in about the 18th.

Both need to move into the 21st with regard to women, science and common sense.

I know this has been said before, Boaz, but you are trying to tar Muslims with the same 'they are not like us' brush that was used on Jews in WW2.

Muslims are human - as such are prone to both the same heriocs and cowardice as the rest of the population. I am so fed up with your continued bile spewed forth over millions of people who have done NOTHING to hurt you. I don't know why I bother.

I believe the majority of people are good, want to live in peace and love their children too.

Peace and Love Boaz, peace and love.

Islam is not Christianity
Islam is the religion of
agitation, revolution, blood,
liberation and martyrdom.

Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says : kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you!

WHATEVER GOOD THERE IS EXISTS THANKS TO THE SWORD AND IN THE SHADOW OF THE SWORD! PEOPLE CANNOT BE MADE OBEDIENT EXCEPT WITH THE SWORD! THE SWORD IS THE KEY TO PARADISE, WHICH CAN BE OPENED ONLY FOR HOLY WARRIORS!

Interesting points, nothing I haven't heard of before... So now are we going to point out every mis-doing the Catholic religion has pulled over the MILLENIUM.

I am a Catholic, and i know the history of my religion that still fights for what is "right" in the name of god.

Now have we ever really asked why Islamic people want to go to war? I would love an answer> No-one else has seemed to answer me yet.

“I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. Between 1984 and 1995, 40 per cent of all migrants coming into this country were of Asian origin. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate.” – Pauline Hanson, only a few years ago.

Yeah, and before them it was the Southern Europeans, and before that the Central European Jews, and before that the Chinese and before that the Irish Micks and before that the English…

So now it’s the Muslims we need to worry about, is it, Boaz?

I’ve been to lots of “ethnic” clubs in my time, even to the mosque at the end of my street, and I’ve always been made to feel welcome (a bit too welcome at the mosque, maybe). Perhaps you need to get out a bit more. People are a lot nicer than you seem to imagine, even if they talk and dress funny or read newspapers I can’t, or have religions that don’t make sense to me personally (and none of them do, including yours).

Sure there are Lebbo thugs, just as there are Anglo-Celtic thugs and Italian thugs and Asian thugs and Koori thugs. I’ve met thugs of every ethnicity in my time. Nor should we minimize the amount of damage that can be done by a few disaffected zealots with a chip on their shoulder and radicalized political views.

But Boaz, I like living in a country where people can dress and eat and worship and socialize however they want, even when they carry on traditions from other countries. It's one of the things I love most about my homeland, and I get cheezed off when xenophobes threaten this. I don’t care that new arrivals tend to congregate with others from their old country for a generation or two when they first arrive. It's been going on for more than 200 years. Sure we shouldn’t put up with thugs or terrorists of any ethnicity, but I don’t want to live in your sort of country where everyone has to be compulsorily the same.

Scout,
It is wonder you did not mention your religious preference has about 2,600 years of history springing from Indian mysticism. As you seem to imply the more ancient its foundations the more believeable it is for modern thinkers.

Sleeping with a devil in islamic clothing?? Is there a cloth like Islam cloth? A hijab? A burka? A black-veil with only holes for eyes?

A photographer was confused how to find the difference between 2 burka-clad islamic women. If they don't show (atleast) their faces, what's the need of a photo to begin with?

"One day millions of men will leave Arabia to go to Europe. And they
will not go there as friends. They will go there to conquer it. And they
will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us
victory."

former Algerian president Houari Boumedienne

madaic,
Further to your post. I just received info from Sweden which states that by 2015, 50% of the population will be Muslem. Not far away!

Already, by government decree, there is no such person as a Swede, these former Swedes are now known as 'persons of Swedish background'

So, offically, Swedish people have ceased to exist.

With an election there this month,it will be interesting to follow developments.

Philo

What the?

A) I don't have a religious preference.
B) I have never claimed that the older an ideology the more validity it has. Not the kind of thing I would claim

In summary, what the @#$% are you on about Philo?

Snout

Your erudite commonsense has been sadly missed, I welcome your contribution and concur that life would be insufferably boring if we were all the same.

Variety is the spice of life and the catalyst for creativity.

Peace all.

Yup - sounds like Hilter ... opps, sorry ... Howard's Youth Brigade are opening for enrolments - all in the name of Australian Nationalism. Sorry not interested - count me out. But, I'm waiting for the knock on the door from the self-elected thought control police of HYB to take me away somewhere for 're-education'.

snout, I'll second Scout's comments. Your posts are an inspiration.

Scout, the nasty part of me thinks "In summary, what the @#$% are you on about Philo?" would have been more fun without the about.
I doubt it would be valid but it could be fun.

R0bert

R0bert,
I would think Scout would place Buddahism and Hinduism above Judaism, Christianity and Muslism beliefs. Time is not relative to ideas as we still teach mathmatical formulae and ethics from ancient Greece, no better revelations on those ideas. Because ideas are ancient does not discredit their verasity which she tries to imply.

snout,
Girl in hijab, in mixed company at local pool. Most definately integrated. But if she were my daughter, I would prefer her to be a tad more refined in speech

Banjo,

Me too, but I have to admit I pissed myself (not literally - I was standing in the pool at the time, and I'm worried about that dye they put in the water).

Point is, we sometimes get a bit paranoid about cultural difference and cultural mixing. Like Scout says, it keeps life interesting and helps us stay creative.

Philo you had the complete and utter gall to state:

"I would think Scout would place Buddahism and Hinduism above Judaism, Christianity and Muslism beliefs."

Once again you presume too much!

I find there is a lot to be gained from any and all ideologies and just as much to be avoided. You are trying again, most feebly, to claim what my POV is. How dare you!

All you have achieved is to display the narrow perspective of your own small mind.

What have I said about presuming to judge Philo? If there is anything in your ancient little book about presuming to judge others, then I humbly suggest you go and have a good read.

The rest of us will continue to exchange ideas and information - which is what the ancient idea of a forum is all about. Thus we will continue to grow as human beings, sadly leaving you behind to stagnate in your little pit of judgement and ignorance.

Besides Islam which other religion in Australia sells 'The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion' in their religious bookstores?

snout,
Yes there are some who get a bit paranoid about cultural matters. The same as some get paranoid about a host of other matters, such as the enviroment, trees, road safety, education,etc. etc.

However there is enough evidence over a long period for rational persons to come to the conclusion that there is a social problem with some Muslims not integrating. We seem to have a particular problem with male Muslims that is cultural.

I wonder if we are partly responsible for this, in that we have not given all prospective migrants adequate information about our culture and what they can expect in our society. If, for the last 30 years, we have simply told them we are multicultural and we accept all cultures we have a problem. Because it is not entirely true. There are many aspects of other cultures that we do not permit, either legally or socially.

I can understand migrants feeling deceived on finding out what is acceptable and what is not, if we have not adequately informed them beforehand. To immigrate is a huge step for a family and many may not have the means to do it all again, to another location.

I have endeavoured to find out exactly what info is given to prospective migrants but DIMA won't tell me, sayung they are not permitted to give out such info. Therfore if anyone can give first hand information as to what they were told about us before immigrating, would be most helpfull.

We all want to live in a society without conflict and to do so. when probelems arise, they must be addressed. Ignoring issuses only makes them worse.

I have no idea what prospective migrants are currently being told about Australia. But I remember some of the things I was told about 45 years ago when I was living in England and enquiring about coming to live permanently in Australia.

I had a very good job at the time. A well paid and interesting staff position with a large, solid company, which is still doing very well in its field. I was progressing in my job and also enjoying some generous fringe benefits. But I didn't like the English climate. I wanted to live near the beach where the winters were not so severe, and hot sunny summers were virtually guaranteed.

When I was interviewed, I was told that I would have no trouble getting a job where I would earn much more. I arrived in Perth 44 years ago to find a high level of unemployment. And I was repeatedly told, at the age of 28, that I was too old. After some poorly paid labouring jobs I eventually got good employment, but I was here 4 years before I got the same kind of money that I was earning in England.

I was also given a booklet, which I still have, on life in WA. One page is titled "A typical Perth housing development", with a photo of Floreat Park. This suburb has never been typical. Consistently high priced and, 44 years ago, one of the most expensive suburbs in Perth.

I've never been bitter BTW, or regretted coming here. I got what I wanted, the good climate and beach lifestyle, amongst friendly, welcoming Aussies from various racial backgrounds. And eventually good employment. But why was it considered necessary to mislead prospective migrants? And is this deception still going on?

Banjo,
You are right there is a problem with moslem males.
I am surprised they did not give you the information you asked for as it should be public.
Funny way to encourage migrants by having secret pamphlets.
You can reasonably assume that the information is totally politically correct. Therefore the information will be totally useless.

However the whole problem is complicated by their practice of marrying their cousins, generation after generation.
They have a much higher genetic defect ratio than the rest of the population and it will also make itself known as behaviour problems.
Studies by the UK Midlands health service found the genetic defect occurance to be 13 times the rest of the British population.
Go to www.bbc.co.uk and do a search on "Cousin Marriage".
There was a BBC documantary on the subject.
There is also a House of Commons report or speach on the matter.

The NSW Health Dept found similar problems when they investigated
genetic abnormalities at Auburn Hospital. I believe there is a
report in Hansard on this.
As far as I am aware it is not illegal to marry your cousin in
Australia. You would be very foolish to do so though.

Muslim's have not corrupted Islam...Islam has corrupted them. Good Muslim's follow in the footsteps of their lone prophet Muhammad. They want to be "little Muhammad's". So, they follow the example of their leader. They do exactly what Muhammad did....they terrorize everyone within a camels ride around them. Good Muslim's are the mirror image of their prophet Muhammad they want to be a Muhammad clone. Muhammad was a terrorist, so, they terrorize. Muhammad was a murderer so they justify killing innocent people around the world. Muhammad forced non-Muslim's to convert to Islam or die, and soon they will offer us the same two choices. Islam became rich by plundering innocent Jews and Christians and by selling their women and children into slavery.

Of the 53 most oppressive places (countries) to live in on earth 51 of them are Islamic. Yes, we are sleeping with the devil (Halal Ben Shackar) and this devil wants democracy about as much as Hitler wanted to eat Kosher hot dogs. We are wasting our lives, time, and money fighting for people in the Middle-East who only want "Submission"...to Islam. Ten minutes after our forces are withdrawn it will be back to Islam as usual, only now our enemy will be better equipped to come at us again and again. The only way to defeat Islam is by expossing their bloody history and insaine prophet. Islam must be repudiated as Nazism was. Once Germans saw what Hitler had done the average German became sickened. Islam is on the march Westward. Europe has been ruined over the last 40 years by Islam. Britain is quickly sinking under the burdon of Islamic terrorist threats. Will Australia be next...I pray not.