The alchemist: So you have outgrown God, but never mind He has not outgrown you - depend on it!
So we believers are fuzzy and have constantly changing truth err truth is truth by definition truth never changes, cannot change.
Just who or what is controlling your chaos - evolution perhaps?
All these other universes they just popped up by themselves did they. These same billions of universes do not follow any laws either I suppose. All doing their own thing so to speak?
Morals destroy people's freewill - what utter arrant nonsense or perhaps meaningless drivel! By the way the Bible tells us that we do not have freewill so chum God is and has been pulling your strings all your life.
God's followers are barbaric slaves - another total nonsense!
A bit of truth from you: There's nothing in common between Yahweh and evolution - heh! build on that truth.
And as well God's followers are moronic-thanks for that deep insight.
Believing in God is a lack of the evolution gene - again absolutely unprovable garbage. G.J.Chesterton said to this effect "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe nothing - they believe anything" Fits you alchemist to a 'T' Regards, numbat

Scout,

Spong and animal welfare in the same post and you wonder why Chrstians are ignoring your pleas? Second order stuff I'm afraid as long as poverty, war, abortion, hESC research etc is on the liberal agenda.

"And Sancho I am sorry but the second law of thermodynamics has nothing to do with conservation of matter."

Sorry Sancho I was mistaken. Then Philo needs to be informed here.

Judeo-Christianity has just wasted whole civilisations in Iraq and Lebanon and as the author points out... in a matter of days. Bush did this in the name of Christ.... yeah, right.

I agree with Sells - Christ heralded the end of religion - he did not set out to establish one of his own. He professed 'getting on' with people rather than 'controlling' them through fear and thuggery. He understood the 'high' priests and 'noble' men of the time exploited 'doctrines' to maintain and project their own sense of power. Make the people afraid and then they will look to be 'saved'.

Most ordinary peopel, right around the world tend to get on with each other perfectly well until those at the top (down the barrel of a gun) want things to be a bit different, or feel they are losing their grip.

Bush again looks for 'puppet kings' as did the Romans in the time of Herod. Someone ought to sit down with the man and explain Christ's teachings to him.

Alchemist,
You've outgrown the god your father thought the Bible reported; but you've expressed belief in directional order.

With this comment one would believe you're reading the Genesis account.

"I said the universe was in a state of chaos, not it was chaos, or evolution is the creator. Both evolution and controlled chaos are active states of the universe, not it's defining creation."

"Now the Earth was in a state of lifeless chaos, and darkness was over the deep, when the Spirit of the life-giving God brooded over the waters." Gen 1:2.

The difference between us is you believe our Universe is merely formed from random actions [itself-adding-information]. This does'nt answer how matter was formed, or how ionic attraction by chemicals was given character. We believe these were placed there by Creational design. You've changed your definition of how power developed to now make Genes the Creator. It appears you do not believe in a deliberate continuium of development by purposeful direction, ie that order emerges from chaos because there's been design input into the result not inherent in the original. eg if man developed from apes then added genetic information not inherent within the genes of apes is the result. Selection suggests choice, but I've yet to see a living species other than humans choose a partner because they wish to improve the species and add genetic information not already inherent within their genes.

Alchemist's first god was random chaos that formed matter and ionic chemistry.
His second god was natural selection that gave added information to genes.
His third god was directional powers within the gene to carry it foward.

Please identify what is defining outcomes the power that gives design and direction!

Monotheists believe all created direction and design has one ultimate revelation purpose, and that for the mind and spirit of man. Man is held responsible.

Our focus on God is in the areas of our responsibility to live by design - that is character, actions, attitudes, wisdom etc and it is the demonstration of these ideals we worship because our God is revealed in them.

Philo, I phrased that sentence showing you the difference between genesis and reality. One would understand the story writer at the time, would have an understanding of that era, not our era. Place any interpretation you want on any written word, but its veracity is tied to the reality of its expression and the totality of its outcomes. For god its totally, is totally negative, irrespective of the fantasied infantile ploys use by Yahweh supporters.

The difference between us, is you live within the past, I live now and plan for the future, whatever that maybe. Its a simple process called, rational logic.

“Our focus on God is in the areas of our responsibility to live by design - that is character, actions, attitudes, wisdom etc and it is the demonstration of these ideals we worship because our God is revealed in them.”

Philo, rational logic according to historical and present facts are, that's a complete load of BS and not supported by reality. You may wish it to be that way, but you an your ilk wish for many things in prayer, 99.999% of them never answered. Rational logic would interpret that as either, a good laugh, or deluded infantile psychopathy.

“Please identify what is defining outcomes the power that gives design and direction!”

Even though that makes no sense at all, you may've meant, what is the power and direction that's defining outcome and you dropped in the design to entrap. A deity power is not in my agenda, quite the opposite, I see many possibilities for the reason for this universe. Its only fuzzy religion stopping ethical evolution by suppression, fear and war, from opening our eyes to what place we really hold in this presently incomprehensible universe.

God's only within your minds, expressed in violent actions, evidenced by the way your ilk attack, abuse and lecture all who disagree. Your fear of realities, only surpassed by your violent attempts to suppress it.

Non believers may disagree with each other, but enjoy and learn from the disagreement. Monotheists turn disagreement into war, not very enjoyable