alchy

Amen.

Fully know what you're gettin' at, Alchemist. Yeah, the OLO is a lotta fun, but capable of forward ideas as well. But now I'm only what's left of an old Country Party voter, or rather these days a right-wing or left-wing agrarian socialist, angry about the way Howard's bi-laterism with the US has let us down.

Cheers, Alechemist, mate, keep up the good work.

Alchy u've been on the turps mate -BOAZ was the most humble and peaceful personality in the Old Testament just about.

DAVID..is my real middle name. *slap slap slap*.. shoddy research there :)

You DO have a point though "When you have no ideology, you have nothing left to lose" but everything to gain? yes indeedy and WITHOUT the constraints of said ideology which placed LIMITS on what you can and can't gain.

There was a song floating around in the 60s which struck me as incredibly true and contributed to my own change of life.
"If that's all to life,... then bring out the booze.. bring out the band...."etc..

You say 'everything to gain'..... really ? in the framework of total meaninglessness and barrenness.. with absolutely no morality holding you back..only the LAW... so you are free to assess every opportunity not in terms of 'right or wrong' but of 'legal and illegal'. Now that should lead to some 'interesting' ethics...hmmmmm

Your version of 'life' without God is just a cute screensaver with lots of boobs and butt ....the reality is somewhat different.

But enough philosophizing.. the ultimate truth which we have to deal with is no less than our Risen Lord, His reality and rising from the dead, as witnessed by many, and confirmed by Paul.

John he Baptist asked "Are you for real" (paraphrase)
Jesus response below:
"Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy[b] are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor."

Dear old Alchy has finally addmitted there is a power that designs and controlls the events of material reality with this statement; "We have a universe that's beyond awesome, it operates in a state of chaos, controlled by evolutionary interaction with a myriad of other interacting dimensions. They all work together in fascinating musical evolution."

His father taught him to hate the idea of a "God" but he admits that the true god is called "evolution", that evolution has power to direct and change. A concept Moses attributed to the beyond awesome Hebrew God - YHWH.

However Alchy has ignored the second law of thermodynamics; that matter neither increases or decreases it merely changes form. For him he attributes change and formation to a facinating musical single god evolution - that we monotheists call Creator. He has finally addmitted there is a power not inrtinsically inherent in matter that gives design and direction. He calls it chaos much like what occurrs in his obsessive directionless brain.

Since the Alchemist attributes all chaos to evolution then he must also attribute all human behaviour to the same evolutionary power. Therefore since the human brain is evolving [his view] he has no cause to blame persons for killing each other which he does adnauseam. Blame indicates a moral standard that has been violated. However if he really believed the Universe is created by chaos, then there is no standard of comparison. Killing is OK if chaos reigns. Horror of horrors Alchemist actually agrees with the YHWH's commission of social order, "Thou shalt not kill!" But he denies there is a unifying moral God; he believes the world of man is better off with polytheistic gods. Then boys it is OK to destroy each other as primitive tribes do to neighbouring tribes its all part of chaos.

Could Alchy a YHWH actually have somthing in common after all! Stay tuned.

"Alchy has ignored the second law of thermodynamics; that matter neither increases or decreases it merely changes form."

Like the US fundies, who happily ignored the second law when trying to get intelligent design off the ground.

"since the human brain is evolving [his view] he has no cause to blame persons for killing each other which he does adnauseam. ... However if he really believed the Universe is created by chaos, then there is no standard of comparison. ... Alchemist actually agrees with the YHWH's commission of social order, "Thou shalt not kill!""

I'm not convinced that you quite understand how natural selection works, Philo.

Our society is composed of people whose genes compel them to work together and not kill each other on the slightest pretext. It's not divine, it's simply an outcome of the genetic lottery that improves our chances of survival.

Seeing human behaviour and the splendour of the living universe as divinely dictated means putting the cart before the horse. As the late Douglas Adams put it, "A puddle wakes up one morning and thinks: "This is a very interesting world I find myself in. It fits me very neatly. In fact it fits me so neatly... It must have been made to have me in it.""