Martin Ibn Warriq,
I have really appreciated your last 2 posts.

Thank you for the recommendation regarding Mark Gabriel. I had never heard of him.
This is quite an excellent, and moving story. It matches in with what my friend Daniel Shayesteh, has been unfolding to so many.

Time has come - for people to wake out of the sleep of the religious pluralist mantra: 'All religions are the same'. It is just not intellectually plausible, let alone experientially so. However, for many a smug, almost conceited air of superiority ('we have science', 'we are enlightened') imprisons them, so that they are not even free to explore the possibilities.

At present, the fear of suddenly waking up to a violent future, now become the very real present, is causing some to reconsider. Thankfully.

Australia's Christian Heritage, has ensured it has been one of the finest (though quite imperfect) nations to live in. May we rediscover some of the hidden gems of our past!

From the above posts from The Alchemist we must conclude that atheists parents brain-wash their children into their beliefs and views. His father has certainly given him an obsessive mind about those that follow monotheism. Monotheism is essentially the belief that though the Universe is diverse it operates as a single unity [the product of one mind].

The fact is my views and beliefs differ from that of my parents so they failed to wash my mind so that I would follow their beliefs. I am too mush of a radical thinker for them. Scout had some insight into the fact that our personality does play a part in our beliefs and responses, it is not totally geographic.

Good posting Scout,

I guess the greatest change over the centuries is that religions moved from a 'state sanctioned' to become a personal choice.

Yuse guys that are filling up this OLO arguing about religion. Has it really got much to do with Middle East problems, especially as an article in today's West' says that the fight is not really about religion, but all about politics.

It gives reminder of a couple of years ago, about a British journalist asking Mubarak the long reigning leader of Egypt pretty well the same question.

According to the reporter, the answer came quick and smart:

Nothing about religion, young man, but simply intrusion and injustice from the West, mainly caused by an everlasting greedy Western quest for hegemon and contraband.

It is so interesting that Egypt had been afflicted with US dollar dependency for many years before Mubarek's statement. Also Egypt was one country made a colonial colony by the British, even before WW1 when the Ottoman Empire controlled most of the Middle East.

O well then, that article must be right.
Cancel all aforementioned posts. Islam is just about politics; and they are just rightly angry at the West. A little understanding, and we could soon sit easy. Ya, right.

Come on Bushy, we need to have a bit of fun. Baiting a monotheist is great fun, they come up with the most ridiculous excuses. Take Philo, can't answer, so out comes the venomous rubbish. Boaz, well I normally refrain from commenting on peoples pseudonyms, but he does display many of the traits of his name. Mythical David, most likely thieving brigand and boaz his supposed violent ancestor. How apt can you get, but I do respect people for the names they use. I'm sure most reflect how people see themselves and how they wish to express on this forum. I find that commendable and believe it allows for a more open discussion.

I would believe credibility here, is determined by how you support your suppositions. That's easy if you always work on the basis that, you will make a mistake, realise and admit it. Your prepared to listen to others and see their viewpoint from their aspect and not just your own.

Then I believe, fuzziness will only relate to those unable to support their claims other than by threat, lies or historical distortion. What differentiates us from the fuzziness of religion, is our individuality. Something monotheists would not understand. If it wasn't for the individual, we wouldn't have progress, because a belief in god means that's it, anything outside that, is taboo.

Yet outside god, is responsible life, your free to explore responsibly. Monotheists can't understand that, as they require god to keep them in check. But that doesn't work as jails and wars are filled with the followers of god.

Without an ideology, you've nothing left to lose, but everything to gain. We have a universe that's beyond awesome, it operates in a state of chaos, controlled by evolutionary interaction with a myriad of other interacting dimensions. They all work together in fascinating musical evolution.

Now isn't that better than a morbid fuzzy gun totting god.