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Handcuffed by our Western values? : Comments

By John E. Carey, published 18/8/2006

There is a chasm in values between mass killers and people firmly adhering to the right to life.

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GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Posted by MichaelK., Thursday, 24 August 2006 7:22:29 PM
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On the constitution and international law (Plerdsus):

Section 51(xxix) gives the federal parliament the power for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to external affairs. The United Nations is recognised and its charter incorporated into Australian law by the "Charter of the United Nations Act (1945)". International law is as good as the word and honour of the countries that enact the numerous treaties made. Australia abides by its treaties, and I there is NO public sentiment that it should be otherwise.

Response to Yabby:
One can make a difference in the world without dropping bombs.

As for "policeman argument" I suggest you do a Cntl+F "police" before you attribute it to me. I get very uninterested when people push me to elaborate on a view which they themselves put.

In my posts, I have defended Western values and debunked the idea that our adherence to values is either the cause of terrorism, or is an impediment to preventing terrorism. I have done this by showing that significant departures from our own values, such as strategic bombing, have resulted in civilian death and this is used both as a model for terrorist action (directly or indirectly) and a propoganda tool for recruitment. I have suggested that an effort to reassert Western values, especially in international law, will do more to combat terrorism than John E Carey's confused confounderances.
Posted by David Latimer, Friday, 25 August 2006 8:38:05 PM
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David, I will have to read some of your other posts, to get a drift
as to where you are coming from.

I certainly don't have faith in international law as you do.
I believe that its still basically the laws of the jungle that
apply out there. Nations will act in their own self interest,
as best they can. The fundamentals of human nature will
apply, international law will be ducked and dodged as best
is possible, to suit whatever agenda.

Much international law is also out of date and is so hard
to change, that nothing is done. Its easier to go around it.
Look at the 1951 refugee convention for instance. Its out of
date, everyone ducks and weaves around it, including us,
for good reasons. Yet to change it, it is seemingly impossible.

So I have much more faith in the laws of the jungle, then in
any international law :)
Posted by Yabby, Friday, 25 August 2006 8:55:53 PM
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The law of the jungle in a world where atmoic weapons proliferate: Every monkey can press the nuclear button.
Posted by David Latimer, Sunday, 27 August 2006 2:07:15 PM
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David, I remind you of one of our major problems right now. A monkey
is running the world's largest power, with more atomic weapons then
anyone else. The man is battling to actually say "nuclear" let alone
understand the implications of what his administration has been doing on the world stage. I am still blown away that America, with
so much talent, can vote for such a total dud as prez.

You are correct, most likely nuclear weapons will spread, sadly I
have to say. But lets look at why. The man who sold the secrets to
building nuclear weapons around the world, AFAIK has not spent one
day in jail, less then any common car thief. International law
prevails or law of the jungle applies?

Israel has nuclear weapons, so some Muslim nations will want them
too, for obvious reasons. You can sign up all the international
laws you want, nations will pay attention, usually only if its in
their interest to do so.

Jungle law says that the West has been foolish, playing into
Middle Eastern hands, with our addiction to oil. Thats exactly how
its panning out, no matter what international laws were signed.

If you look at history there is a clear pattern. Nations rise
in power and status, they become arrogant, throw their weight around
etc, oblivious to any kind of people skills. Eventually it bites
them in the arse and they implode. With people like Bush and Cheney
running the show in the US, its looks like history is once again
repeating itself.
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 27 August 2006 10:05:19 PM
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How nice, how AUSTRALIAN is caring of someone and something who-knows-where-on-a-globe, omitting own, say, problems.

While policing is a basic stone in the UK and his semi-colonies Australia definitely is, denying policing at international stage is at least premature gesture.

Yes, policing is a reality of life –both infernal and international affairs are reflections of.

The question remains in context, form and reasonable practice of, as “enduring the freedom” in Islamist world was (gramatically correct) / IS (logically to write here)rather good intention than a practically achievable goal used to societies of a different time dimension.

The same law has been seen by and used in different places to even same considerations differently.
Posted by MichaelK., Monday, 28 August 2006 6:30:17 PM
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