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Genetically modified crops will cost : Comments
By James Norman and Louise Sales, published 14/8/2006The economics and risks associated with genetically engineered crops just don’t add up.
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Posted by Agronomist, Monday, 21 August 2006 8:57:54 PM
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The power of thought you seem to give little credit to but every single test on humans has to have a placebo effect allotted into the test. But this is getting way off the track of GM isn't it as you don't want to know about people like Ian Gawler and the way he has created a foundation on the power of thought to cure cancers.
I am not a scientist as I have said before and you know that. But I do know that the type of research that is being done by Judy Carmen requires a lot of time and also the testing by other scientists to check her work so that it can be in scientific papers. This may be years and you know that. So get off my back for it. I am not a scientist or farmer just a consumer and I don't want GM as I don't trust it. I am waiting for these tests to show me what is safe or not. My guess is that GM is just a biohazard that the Corporations have spend millions possibly billions in a very good advertising campaign to manipulate the world food and possible fuel supply so that all farmers have to grow GM as it will be contaminated anyway and it's all about the $ and they don't really care about safety as long as they have that $. Posted by Is it really safe?, Friday, 25 August 2006 3:15:37 AM
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Very few clinical trials are using randomised control arms (placebos) in Oncology almost none, they are comparing a new drug in terms of complete response and progression free survival using historical controls.
I recently listened to an interview with Ian Gawler on ABC radio Brisbane, I was appalled he was “blaming the victim”. Saying that people get cancer because of their thought patterns. I feel for him getting bone cancer and loosing his leg, but he was cured by conventional chemotherapy and surgery. I have incurable cancer of my immune system (B –Lymphocytes) and GM food in no way worries me, we eat animal and plant proteins everyday without any issues (apart from allergies) just because we eat a pork chop does not mean our DNA will be damaged by piggy genes. Ionizing radiation is a much more dangerous beast, this can and does cause some cancers. Uranium mining is a problem of infinitely larger proportions than GM. I totally understand your desire for labelling of GM produce, informed choice should be paramount. Posted by Steve Madden, Friday, 25 August 2006 1:19:14 PM
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See, you don't know that your tumour has been caused by eating GM do you as you have not even thought of that as you think it is so safe. There is no way of finding out. This is what I am talking about. There is no repercussion of the GM industry because there is no way that you know and no reporting of it.
I'm sorry for your incurable disease and I am not saying that Ian Gawler is the bees knees. It's more that there is more out there that is unexplainable that the scientists don't know about. Placebos work in certain cases and there is no denying that as it has been tried and tested. What I am saying is that the scientific world thinks they know everything about the gene pool but in reality they only know a miniscule amount and that is dangerous knowledge. Manipulating something that they don't know the long term effects is basically stupid. Where are the long term human studies? There are none. Posted by Is it really safe?, Saturday, 26 August 2006 10:54:49 AM
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The placebo effect is well known; however, it usually occurs with self-reporting. If people believe that a ‘medication’ will do something, they look for signs of that occurring. One of the outcomes is that placebos are producing more and more reported side effects. This occurs because people believe that medicines produce side effects. Even if they don’t get the medicine, they still get the side effect. People are very suggestible and there are plenty of studies out there showing this is the case. This is why the astrology columns in newspapers are so popular.
Of course scientists don’t know everything about genes and their functions. If they did, we wouldn’t be spending millions of dollars on research. But there are ways of testing for adverse effects and this is done. There are a whole swag of feeding studies n GM crop products http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/articles/agbio-articles/GMfeedsafetypapers.html and they almost all show no differences. A few show minor differences in both directions, but this is to be expected in any large body of statistical work and does not indicate any danger. Posted by Agronomist, Tuesday, 29 August 2006 11:31:22 AM
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University of Nebraska is funded by Novartis and Monsanto
These tests are done on chickens, sheep and cows over periods of 13 weeks or less. Even the mouse testing that was so called proven safety measures was only done on mouse testes as a biomonitor of potential toxic effects over 87 days. By doing that it says that it was concluded that the BT corn had no measurable or observalble effect on fetal, postnatal, pubertal or adult testicular development. So we are to conclude that the safety of GM by investigating the testes of mice. Good grief. You are gambling with the health of humans on the testes of mice? Come on, these tests were done by Brake J, Faust M Stein who are within the Monsanto Scientific Affairs. They are not independent testings which would mean that testings could be falsified or manipulated to suit the GM Companies. These are not independent testings. Posted by Is it really safe?, Wednesday, 30 August 2006 5:39:18 PM
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Unfortunately, the ideas of Richard Strohman and Peter Duesberg have indirectly led to incredible suffering as it allows Governments in certain places to take the attitude that because it is uncertain that HIV causes AIDS, no action should be taken to try and prevent HIV infection. Strohman is effectively saying that the impact of genetic changes are more complicated than we initially thought because a variety of post-transcriptional and post-translational modifications can occur to gene products. This is why testing of the products is done.
Talking about testing, it has been more than 9 months since the WA Government announced a grant to Judy Carmen to conduct feeding tests on GM foods. Are there any results yet?