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You really don't have a clue. Nasty Monsanto funding research in the US and China is seen by you as some kind of conspiracy.

Only one cancer causing PCB has been identified PCB 153 developed and sold by General Electric.

This is the report the cancer link refers to:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16835634&itool=iconabstr&query_hl=14&itool=pubmed_docsum

rBGH elevates IGF-1 so what. I think the arguement goes like this. "rBGH elevates IGF-1, elevated IGF-1 is a risk factor for prostate cancer, so rBGH causes cancer" bollocks I say. IGF-1 is also markedly raised in obesity, seen many fatties lately?

(I note your "new study published in August" was published in 1995)

Strachan formerly served as Director of Federal Government Affairs for the Monsanto Company.[The missing bit] Prior to this, she served as Special Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of State in the Bureau of Oceans, International Environmental and Scientific Affairs at the Department of State. Earlier in her career, she served the United States Environmental Protection Agency as Special Assistant to the Assistant Administrator for the Offices of Pesticides and Toxic Substances as well as Policy, Planning and Evaluation. Ms. Strachan received her bachelor's degree from Greensboro College.

Selectively quoting again 'safe. She looks qualified to me.

You really are blinded by the GM industry if you think that this report that you gave me has no problems with the safety of GM. I quote:

"Under the conditions of this 2-year gavage (forced feeding) study there was equivocal evidence of carcinogenic (cancerous) activity of PCB 153 in female Harlan Sprague-Dawley rats based on the occurrences of cholangioma (tumour originating from the bile duct) of the liver. PCB 153 administration caused increased incidences of nonneoplastic lesions of the liver, thyroid gland, ovary, oviduct, and uterus in female rats".

You are trying to close your eyes and say "I don't care what you say, GM is the bees knees". Well I'm sorry but I don't agree with you at all and the more I look into the studies the more I realise what a farce this is.

You are also ignorant of the facts that Governments are the ones that make the rules of the country and are influenced by their leaders and Corporations that fund them. We the consumers and the farmers are now at the mercy of these people that have been blinded and that have not looked truly into the safety of GM. If they are the ones that are controlling the destiny of the human race, then we are in serious trouble.

What has PCB's got to do with GM food? Clasping at straws 'safe.

You raised this issue to discredit Monsanto, I showed the the cancer causing PCB was nothing to do with Monsanto.

I suppose you support the banning of DDT as well.

Did you hear about the bio engineered cat, does not cause allergies.

If you wish to convince me to believe your point of view - you show me recent, even psuedo scientific, reports of the dangers of GM that were not discredited over a decade ago.

You cannot, there are none. You have lost this debate by not having the intelligence to see the facts, you can spout all the regugitated web spin from the organic producers website you like.

I look for facts and as I stated earlier I have been studying this for eight years.

GM food is safe, the only problem with it is Greenpeace manipulating the global price of food. Keeping it high and starving people.

The first and only safety evaluation of a GM crop, the FLAVR SAVRTM tomato, was commissioned by Calgene, as required by the FDA. This GM tomato was produced by inserting kanr genes into a tomato by an 'antisense' GM method. The test has not been peer-reviewed or published but is on the internet. The results claim there were no significant alterations in total protein, vitamins and mineral contents and in toxic glycoalkaloids. Therefore, the GM and parent tomatoes were deemed to be "substantially equivalent."

Some rats died within a few weeks after eating GM tomatoes.
In acute toxicity studies with male/female rats, which were tube-fed homogenized GM tomatoes, toxic effects were claimed to be absent. In addition, it was concluded that mean body and organ weights, weight gains, food consumption and clinical chemistry or blood parameters were not significantly different between GM-fed and control groups. However:

The unacceptably wide range of rat starting weights (±18% to ±23%) invalidated these findings.
No histology on the intestines was done even though stomach sections showed mild/moderate erosive/necrotic lesions in up to seven out of twenty female rats but none in the controls. However, these were considered to be of no importance, although in humans they could lead to life-endangering hemorrhage, particularly in the elderly who use aspirin to prevent thrombosis.
Seven out of forty rats on GM tomatoes died within two weeks for unstated reasons.
These studies were poorly designed and therefore the conclusion that FLAVR SAVRTM tomatoes were safe does not rest on good science, questioning the validity of the FDA's decision that no toxicological testing of other GM foods will in future be required.

The thing is you gave me the website (why did you do that if not to be nasty back) and this is not just about Monsanto it is about all GM foods including milk.

kanr is a safe antibiotic marker, used in this Calgene initiated trial to test gene transfer. The rest of the report, not from Dr. Dodgy Spud.

Two approaches were used to assess the safety of the NPTII protein for human consumption using purified E. coli produced NPTII protein that was shown to be chemically and functionally equivalent to the NPTII protein produced in genetically engineered cotton seed, potato tubers and tomato fruit. The NPTII protein was shown, as expected, to degrade rapidly under simulated mammalian digestive conditions. An acute mouse gavage study confirmed that the NPTII protein caused no deleterious effects when administered by gavage at a cumulative target dosage of up to 5000 mg/kg of body weight. This dosage correlates to at least a million fold safety factor relative to the average daily consumption of potato or tomato, assuming all the potatoes or tomatoes consumed contained the NPTII protein. These results, along with previously published information, confirm that ingestion of genetically engineered plants expressing the NPTII protein poses no safety concerns.

Next :)

Did I mention I'm not a scientist? You say "functionally equivalent" but is not the same. You have not "won" this debate as you say. You may sit on your hobby horse at the Adelaide University and mock me saying "he/she will not change their minds no matter what scientific evidence there is". You have not given me unequivocal proof.

Do a qualititative and quantitive research even with rats, that gives in columns 30,60,90,120 days and in rows size of heart,lungs,liver,spleen & other major organs and weight, blood tests for cancers etc. Then have in 3 different tables, 1st, 2nd and third generation. Signed affidavids from scientists that says that no research has been left out or tampered with by the GM industries. How hard is this to do? Until done I will claim that GM is a biohazard.

You have bullied, tricked and forced me to look at research that I have no idea on and if this is the way you treat consumers all over the world, it is no wonder we are becoming fearful. We know you are hiding something and when we try to ask you make us feel stupid, but you are forgetting that we are the end product and can destroy the GM industry or is that what you are frightened of?

Your reports say "more research needs to be done" and should be before we are forced to eat it. I have proven that the governments of the world are manipulated by GM Corporations. I have proven that GM contaminates non-GM crops which will mean that the world's food supply will be contaminated.

You have not allied my fears, you have made them worse. I am a consumer not a scientist or farmer. The only reports that have been given to me have not been written with the consumer in mind. It is egocentric and ethnocentric of you to think that they should know what it means.

The final questions that haunts me. Why do rats have to be force fed GM grain? What do they know that we don't?