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Technology fee: You are buying premium seed, with a GM trait. You can choose not to buy GM seed, and so not have to pay the fee – just like you can buy a basic car or pay more and buy the one with all the extras. If farmers feel the profits and convenience of using GM make it worth paying the fee, they will; if not, Monsanto will not sell any seed, or will have to lower the fee – it’s the farmers’ choice.

Monitoring your farm: this is common for non-GM crops, too – eg Growers’ Agreements for fruit trees.

Not allowed to tell anyone how bad it is: This would not be covered by a confidentiality agreement. How can you stop anyone talking eg if their crops failed? (Not sure where this allegation came from – sounds like a bit more Greenpeace/Mae Won misinformation to enrage the gullible)

How can an American company know planting times in Australia: Again, Monsanto and other companies have been selling seed (and plants) to Australia for years. They breed seed to local conditions, otherwise it would not grow and they would not have a business.

Newfarm has sole subsidiary for Monsanto's glyphosate and paid coincidentally $10 million for GM technology from Monsanto and by coincidence puchased the largest seed breeding Company in Australia. So Newfarm is the Monsanto for Australia. Australia would have an end point royalty and you would have to pay for it if tested positive as an end product.

The $15 per acre is in American dollars because Monsanto are not giving Australian farmers an open letter saying how much they will have to pay. That's why I have had to get this information from an American site. So it would be converted on the day for the Australian dollar equivalent.

Large farms do plant large amounts of acreage in Australia especially WA because the soil is less fertile.

I don’t know of any closed loop marketing contracts and any contracts signed for seed saving. It is still a dominant option for canola farmers and is an option that farmers want to keep so that at a later date they have a choice to avoid rising costs.

The DVD analogy is perfect. DVD's don't breed by themselves. That's the difference mate. The way around the Trade Practices Act is to give discounts with packaged deals. That's what's happening in GM growing countries at the moment.

Cutting edge technology? That must mean that the weeds developing glyphosate resistance by themselves are cutting edge technology with multinational Companies and scientists.

Car analogy. I want to buy a little white car so I sign up for it to pick it up in the morning. Overnight the expensive GM red car(with so called bells and whistles) with it's wet paint and loose extras contaminates my little white car? In the morning I am shocked that I have to pay the extra changes my little car has to the car dealer and I protest that I did not want the extras and I did not want my car to be red and the car dealer says "Too Bad, it is. Pay up".

'safe

I really do have an "expensive GM red car(with so called bells and whistles)"

GM Holden SV8 :) 6 litre V8 the greenies hate it.

Sorry couldn't resist :)

Well because you couldn't answer most of them, I will do it for you.

1) How many Australian farmers plant 3000 acres of canola?

Answer: None.

2) Why do Australian farmers need to pay American dollars for the seed? What is wrong with Australian dollars?

Answer: well you gave some of this yourself. You took some material from an American document and tried to insist the same would be done in Australia. The rules in the document no longer apply in America.

3) I understand that Monsanto sells no herbicides in Australia, how can farmers be forced to buy their herbicides from Monsanto?

Answer: They can't. You made this up, copied someone who did or took information from an irrelevant situation.

4) Why is Monsanto allowed to have a Police Force in Australia? Why does the Australian Government allow this?

Answer: You either made this up, or copied it from somebody who did.

5) How does Monsanto get away with telling Australian farmers when to plant their crops when they don't anywhere else in the world?

Answer: They don't. They don't even tell American farmers when to plant. They might provide advice about when to plant to get the most value from their products, but ultimately farmers make their own choices.

Read it properly Agronomist - I said wheat belt farmer, not canola farmer. If GM canola comes in then the likelihood of GM wheat coming in is high. There are a lot of wheat farmers sowing this amount of seed.

Why if in America the $ value of per acre would be different in Australia? As I said I am taking it from an American document because there are no documents in Australia that tell the farmer how much they will have to pay. They are being conned without the full figures.

Why wouldn't Monsanto treat Australia the same as America? Show me where this document no longer applies in America.

http://www.non-gm-farmers.com/news_details.asp?ID=310 gives you the user agreement that shows that you have to use Monsanto products. "Only Roundup Transorb and Roundup Original are registered for use on Roundup Ready canola".

Monsanto police have not been set up yet in Australia but it would be. There would be investigators out to farms the same as America wouldn't there? The end point royalty has been set up and I am sure just the same as in America, our farmers will be policed. At the moment 2,000 farmers in America and Canada, Monsanto is ready to charge. They have investigated 40,000 farmers in North America. It would be under "Protecting the rights of the copyrighter"

I don't really care and it's your choice if you want a piston slapping, oil burning, excessive fuel burning car. But it's interesting because I have a white car that is fuel efficient but I am not a Greenie which you detest.

In "Genetic Engineering in Agriculture and Corporate Engineering in Public Debate", http://www.ijoeh.com/pfds/IJOEH_1104_Patel.pdf by Rajeev Patel, Robert Torres, and Peter Rosset analyze Monsanto's efforts to convince the public of the safety of genetically modified crops. The editors conclude that corporate corruption of science is widespread and touches many aspects of our lives, as indicated by the range of articles in the issue

I am a consumer and still believe that GM is a biohazard and now know more about the corruption of the GM companies.

If the Grower violates any of the Terms and Conditions of this Agreement, the Grower shall forfeit any right to obtain any Agreement in the future and this Agreement may, at Monsanto's option, be terminated immediately. In the event of any use of Roundup Ready canola seed which is not specifically authorised in this Agreement, the Grower agrees that Monsanto will incur a substantial risk of losing control of Roundup Ready canola seed and that it may not be possible to accurately determine the amount of Monsanto's damages. The Grower therefore agrees: a) to pay Monsanto $15.00 per acre for every acre planted with Roundup Ready canola seed not covered by this Agreement.

'safe, what part of "If the Grower violates any of the Terms and Conditions..." do you not understand. You are deliberately misquoting in your previous post.

I note you have given up on the safety aspects of GM.

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