Does "Lebanon's" attitude justify Israel's "disproportionate" response?

A big, fat "yes".

"Lebanon" is not even a country. It is just a collection of waring tribes. I personally hope that the Syrians annex the place and give it a real government. This would be a great thing for the Syrian people as it would give Syria, a land locked country, access to the sea.

The only reason why Syria has not done this already is because Lebanon is full of Lebanese. And as the Australians have already discovered, the Lebanese are not the most desireable houseguests.

Israels best option is to expel all "Lebanese" from their borders for a distance of 30 pr 40 kilometres, to stop the Islamofascists from raining rockets on their cities. every time the Arabs attack Israel, Israel should take a bit more land. Even the Arabs might then be be able to figure out that leaving Israel in peace is the best course of action.

Of course, that would be very hard on the people who are members of a dozen loyalties, who loosely call themselves "lebanese" whenever the fancy suits them. But who cares? I for one don't. The lebs ran out of friends in this country, long ago.

Well the argument descends to personal abuse, intelligent comment and citation of sources. Bit like a football team really though the blood and guts is best viewed from safety.
We are all armchair warriors. Those that know truth are not telling or are muzzled.
Left wing rubbish ! Why then was the information concerning Iraq so wrong why did the cheer squads prevail?
Was not wrong?
A brutal dictator was overthrown and freedom prevailed. The dictator allowed women to be educated, a robust health system and dishonest voting paternalism and cronyism. Useful when reaction to the Shahs demise turned against us. So what is so different from Australia?

Why Iraq? Because here sufficient evidence has been unearthed to convince all except the most dogged of our being conned.
For Israel the West has been particularly ‘kind’ and this democratic country with educated women good health system and votes for most, though not party to the non-proliferation treaty and owning several nuclear weapons is ‘good’ The newspapers say so!
Yet Israel established by the colonial system which stated that current inhabitants should be accorded due rights. Cooperation and friendship was possible. But this chosen people, the Zionists, decided Israel was not large enough and that the occupants should be removed, their land taken. The propaganda later claimed attack by these designated terrorists, forgetting, as always their own actions.
They rebelled. USA held firm and the nation was armed becoming the bully boy it now is. Fear is a poor handmaiden of moral behaviour. Yes there were atrocities on both sides, rather more from the Israeli. Their were terrorists on each side and still are. So what game are we playing apart from backing our football team? The politics of little frightened men conscious of their own importance ill intentioned amoral, seeking control. Just the fun of the stoush and of course going to Church on Sunday proclaiming our love of man belief in compassion and love! On one side the rule of the powerful on the other the idea of rights and compromise. Oh yeah. Where is this?

Marilyn, your true (biased) colors are finally nailed to the mast.

-1000 innocent LEBANESE civilians in collective punishment.(= Israel bad)
-a poll in the SMH and AGE today about the Israelis. (Quoted by you to show ='Israel bad')
-Israelis bombed a bridge, turned around and MURDERED 12 people (='Israel bad)
-90% think it is OK to bomb and MURDER Lebanese civilians. (= 'Israel bad')
-and watch the 90% of Israelis who approve of MURDERING civilians get on with the job (= 'Israel bad')

Your only mention of the rockets (over 2500 so far have fallen on totally civilian Israeli cities) was to DIMINISH their connection with justifiable Israeli self defense.

"And I'll see your true colors
Shining through
I see your true colors" (Cindy Lauper)

and further Marilyn, I see it took you about 3 microseconds to jump on the "Its all a distraction" bandwagon re the British Terrorism Arrests and all you can say is 'its about something that DIDN'T happen'... my goodness MS... you definitely need therapy... you would rather it HAPPENED.. 9 jumbo's downed each carrying 400 passengers? THEN... you would be happy to arrest these morons ? They were arrested based on PAKISTANI intelligence, or did you miss that ?

As I said.."true colors".

The 13 Terror suspects in Melbourne have now been politicized by the Left (Resistance) calling them "The Barwon 13".

"The organising meeting is being held at 2:30 pm on Sunday 13th August at the Melbourne Resistance Centre, Druids Building, Level 5, 407 Swanston St." for a demo at the State Library at 1:00 pm on Saturday August 19th.

Reddy, Col, others.. lets all turn up and give some balance to this.

redneck,

It's difficult to know what's more irritating about you, the sheer irrelevance of your posts or your profound ignorance: Syria is not landlocked. Ever thought of purchasing an atlas? You'll need to find a place with the word 'Bookshop' on it first, OK? And while you're there, how about purchasing a dictionary and looking up (or get someone else to do it for you if it's too hard) the correct spelling of "desireable".

Boaz
Do you find it all ironic that when you are not quoteing scriptures all you seem to do is support wars, race riots, and the detention of woman and children in detention centres?

Dear Tieran

hard to know how to respond to your post, but I certainly welcome criticism.

Lets take them in order.

1/ Supporting Wars.

I'd be in a bit of trouble (as would you) if I didn't support the Allies during world war II wouldn't I ? So clearly, there is such a thing as a 'just' war. I don't think ANY war is squeaky clean in that nothing bad, cruel, unjust etc ever happens. But we (you and me) need to avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater.... we (you and me) only have the freedom to speak as we are here BECAUSE of a war which gave us that freedom. Am I reading history wrongly ?

2/ Supporting Race Riots.

I don't recall ever supporting a race riot. If you are referring to Cronulla ?.... I haven't supported the violence against Lebanese looking people any time. I DID support the large turnout which was called to protest AGAINST the violence to life savers and against our culture by Lebanese Muslims. But not the aggresive violence. ok?
I WILL support the organizing training of Aussies in self DEFENSE against multiple attackers, which is quite legal.

3/ Detention of Women and Children.

T, the other side of that coin is 'keep families together' .. you have a problem with that ? Detention of illegal arrivals is not a problem for me, and you should try blaming the PARENTS who subject their children to dangerous sea voyages and 'country shopping'.
You would probably not see it that way, but this is democracy, and we all call them as we see them.

QUOTE SCRIPTURE.
I share the gospel, because any other approach leaves human beings in their fallen state, which is the cause of all the problems we are now debating. I don't think Chrisitan Scripture is bad for the human condition. Do you ? Does the gospel make people 'meaner' or 'nicer'; 'Violent' or Peaceful ? Being close to Christ, having His mind in us, is the best defense to self destructive behavior.

See you at Druids house tomorrow :)