'The current operation, is going fine,...'

Yep I thought so, killing peacekeepers, women and kids is fine in your estimation.

That is why Israel will be forced back within it's pre '67 borders. You want to hope the world doesn't decide in the face of your arrogrance (I am assuming you are an Israeli mouthpiece.) and violence those borders arn't pushed back to the '47 partition borders

You've crowed about the power and might of the IDF. Well buck me, with all their advantage they are struggling to overrun Hezbollah. They claimed at the outset they had sufficient troop's, now you're changing the loonie tune again. The Invasion of Lebanon is well into it's fourth week now and those rockets keep falling on Israel.

Just how effective is that all powerful IDF? It's latest claims are 400 Hezbollah killed. Four week's, all those smart bombs, all that artillery, all those tanks, all those extremely well armed and over-protected(Well now apparently insufficient) troops and what 400 Hezbollah tterrorists killed? That's pretty expensive per corpse ... but what do you care it's the yanks who are paying...isn't it?
Israeli reports said there were 16,000 odd Hezbollah terrorists to be eliminated.

Just how long is Israel's destruction of Hezbollah going to take and how much do you think the Yanks will be prepared to pay?

I mate, unlike you, am on the side of peace and negotiation. I reckon cranking up violence only leads to more violence. You blokes should have learn't that last time. Your ineffective violence in Lebanon only spawned Hezbollah. What will your violent outburst and failure produce this time?

Still waiting to see the UN authorise this invasion. That makes it illegal.
Deliberately killing civilians and destroying civilian infastructur is a war crime.

It is only the IDF who dispute what happened in Qana and at that UN post

but ... whatever ...

I think from a strategic point of view the most disappointing aspect of the Middle East at this time is the fact that the 'war' in Iraq has significantly decreased the world's appetite for military engagement with Iran and Syria. I dont look back on the fall of the Hussein regime with regret-afterall it was a horrible one even by today's standards. However the timing of Husseins removal was bad (a) because the Bush family was involved; (b) because removing Hussein removed a key counter weight to Iran.

Israel has attacked the wrong country- Lebanon was if anything what the West is striving for. In fact if Hariri had not been assassinated by the Syrians it would not be where it is today. From a strategic point of view, Iran and Syria most know that fighting a proxy war from Lebanon not only threatens Israel (a key bargaining chip)but also increases radical Shi'te influence from Turkey to Somalia to Afghanistan.

The posters on this site who are constantly referring to 'jews' and 'imperialism in Iraq' are sadly misguided. Such ethnic stereotyping and anti Americanism is exactly what Iran is pushing for. Deny the holocaust, wipe Israel from the earth, make it all about a crusade and get hung up on technological advancement. This is not the middle ages where cannons do damage- if we are not careful Iran WILL radicalise the middle east and use a nuclear weapon to prove Islamists now match 'Creusaders'.

Finally I find all the lefties on here so hypocritical. Invading Iraq was wrong because Sadamm had no WMD's and was only responsible for gassing people and butchering women and children by the thousands. Now that Israel is taking on Iran, a state that the UN knows is developing WMD's, it is Israel's fault that civilians are killed in a war it DIDNT start (israel has left Lebanon alone for half a decade)!

It is not illegal for Israel to respond to an unprovoked attack on its citizens within its own UN mandated borders. Especially when that attack was made by an illegal and illicit armed militia, put in that position by the will of the Lebanese Government, which thoroughly approves of their resistance:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1703362.htm

That means that this war is not only legal, but entirely justifiable:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/25/AR2006072501387.html

While the casualty count from Kfar Kana falls to 28, of which 10 are children (and the difficulty in explaining the cause of the collapse remains - because there is no legitimate reason for explosives to have been in the building).

finally, for you and your arab freind:

Kus imak, ya khalbs

Inshallah

2bob

Here's something that may adjust the perspective that we are being fed.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2928

If your point is that Israel expected this war, then you are right. Of course they expected it, Hizbollah has done this at least twice before on the same scale (2000 & 2005):

http://www.defense-update.com/2005/12/al-ghajar-village-flashpoint.html

However, given the increased sophistication of their arsenal and training, Israel cannot afford to let them act with impunity, and now given the opportunity will vastly alter the visible geography of the area in order to ensure that sites from which rockets could be fired, no longer exist. Israel really does not have a choice, if they don't stop this, no part of Israel within 70 km of enemy territory is safe (and that is the lot).

Finally, One either kills a snake or ignores it, one cannot play with snakes without being bit.

Inshallah

2bob

• Wre ..."The posters on this site who are constantly referring to 'jews' and 'imperialism in Iraq' are sadly misguided. Such ethnic stereotyping and anti Americanism is exactly what Iran is pushing for"... In reflection on the sly Zionist zealots emitted dis-info tactics out of sight out of mind from the heinous crimes perpetration against the humanity on the planet earth.

As genocidal actions of the insane Israeli junta in fact causing the resurrection of anti-Semitism all over the world, thus threatening Jews on a whole. Just as Olmert's propaganda gurus in the Galuth, are pouring fuel on the flames. Still having bloody chutzpah to accuse our critics against the fascist doctrine, as being anti-Semites or self-Hating Jews.

Thus branding our conscientious citizenry with this stereotype race-mark of indignation. As many good moral people, who feel no hatred at all, towards the Jews on a whole, but who abhor the Zionist atrocities perpetrated by the insane Israeli junta, are being called systematically as anti-Semites. Thus inadvertently giving "it" something approaching respectability, tantamount to anti-Fascist dissent mark. As a lethal sting was taken-out of anti-Semitic sly-coined-word.

The practical upshot:

Not only does Israeli junta not protects the Jews from anti-Semitism, but quite on the contrary, Zionists manufacture and export the anti-Semitism, which threatens ordinary Jews around the world. Especially our Jew-lesser brethren (who sustained as norm collateral ravage fallout consequences), this is a dangerous vicious circle.

As the latest in the insane Olmert's actions in Lebanon and Gaza created repulsion and strong opposition throughout the world. What just might reinforce anti-Semitism. Faced with this envisaged danger, Jewish communities are pushed into defending Israeli actions, while giving it unqualified support.