To those who have jumped on the 'poor people' beaten up by Israel bandwagon, please understand something.

This is not, in any way, an entirely one sided war, this is a fight to the death.

Hizbollah has been provided, as a proxy of both Iran and Syria, with the latest, third generation, Soviet ATGM's, included the monstruous AT-14 Kornet ATGM, which has a dual action warhead, top attack, and has taken out M1A2 Abrams in the past. This is a nasty, dirty little war that Israel has no choice but to win, it is not easy, it is not enjoyable, and it will not be completed quickly (contrary to media expectations). However, it must be done, and given the attitude of the IDF in the past, it will be done, but there will be casualties, and there will be quite a few of them.

Now, Mr Braun, zionist-nazi collaboration? Please go back to the secure facility from whence you came.

Some zionists worked feverishly to try to secure the release of some jews from Germany before and even during the second world war, however this was in no way collaboration. The majority of jews involved in the second world war were in the Commonwealth army, and served predominantly in the middle east and Italy. (some even served in the 1st World War - eg. Zionist Mule Corps (Gallipoli), others assisted the Desert Mounted Corps (inc. Australian Light Horse)).

Inshallah

2bob

The funny thing about Islam & murderous islamic rulers is:

When they win a war, they claim Allah has given the land and they are the sole owner of that.

But when they lose, they cry and do 'jihad' -- sick blowing up people in other countries.

They aren't brave nor they assimilate - but they are sick cowards

fdixit

If you are going to discuss the Bible at least have a good look at it first.

Love thy neighbour as thyself comes from the OT. Stop trying to present the OT as savage and the NT as enlightened therefore by implication the Jews are savage. This trick was invented by the Christian Church during its infamous period when it was ready to burn non Christians alive to purify them.

The OT is very cryptic and the Jewish faith only interprets it through several milenia of Rabbinical deliberation.

Most of Jesus' statements come from either the OT or these interpretations by Rabbis.

Did CNN sanitize its coverage of the Qana massacre for American consumption?

"CNN anchor pointed out, these were guided missiles. The freaking codes have been found! It's not an accident and, as Robert Fisk points out, no matter what laws Hezbollah is violating by using civilians as cover, does this excuse the deliberate killing of children?....According to Fisk, this wouldn't be the first time the Israelis have lied about where rockets were fired from:
Great rebuttal by CNN anchor against a Israel Spokeswomen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6fn5NZ6LBk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ealternet%2Eorg%2Fblogs%2Fpeek%2F39828%2F

watch the first interview - then watch what Americans watched

I have said it before on another forum and I will say it here again:-

Even in the so called biblical times of reporting, the Jews have never had a homeland ......

Even in the so called biblical times of reporting, the Jews have never been honest, nor trusted........

Even in the so called biblical times of reporting, the Jews have lied, connived and falsified documentation for aggressive attacks ......

And now .... well no difference whatever, for the so called Jews now in Israel have no connection whatever to the land they have usurped from the long term residents .... and you want terrorists, try starting with the Jews themselves, from the Jew Kapos who decided who was to live and who was to die in the concentration camps - to the Jews controlling the NKVD who killed and murdered more than 20 million Russians ...... BUT wait – they were not real people – they were not Jews were they? …. Or were they different Jews?

View these photos

http://www.assafir.com/iso/israeli-aggression/regions/teir-harfa/pages/image/imagepage1.html
http://www.assafir.com/iso/israeli-aggression/regions/teir-harfa/pages/image/imagepage5.html

Then, come cry on my shoulder - you miserable little minded people.

Logic
I discussed the Old Testament because I see it as the root cause of the present war. Now not only did I look at the OT I also read it and that is why I reject it as immoral.It is full of atrocities and genocides urged and rewarded by God.
As for needing millenia to interptet the OT correctly, could not God who is all-wise and omniscient have written something plain and unambiguous so that all could understand his words without the need of Rabbinical interpreters?

fdixit

I don't believe any more than you do that a God produced the OT. But if you are discussing Judaism you can only do it through the Rabbinical interpretations. That is the religion, take it or leave it. This conflict is not about the OT. The Israelis religious or otherwise have not interpreted it the way you have.

The source of the conflict is because large sections of Christians and Muslims have been nasty to Jews (and equally to each other). Many Jews (about one third of the total) moved to Israel to avoid persecution by one or the other. They did not come with armies but bought land. Terrible conflicts started in which the Jews successfully defended themselves. Perhaps with far less sensitivity than they could have shown. There was movement of Arabs out of Israel and Jews out of Arab lands. ( approximately the same numbers). The conflict for the Israelis is for continued existence. At least they have treated their own Muslims with equality which is something in their favour.

The only part the Bible plays is in the emotional historic attraction of the ancient homeland.