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Reconcile or count the cost : Comments

By Ted Lapkin, published 18/7/2006

Israel has a moral right to defend itself against brutal jihadists.

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Its all a pretext for the impending invasion, er, l mean liberation of Iran.

Kill them a-rabs... they got our oil.
Posted by trade215, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 2:30:12 PM
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"My brother works at a Lebanese restaurant. 75% of the employees are Lebanese; all are Maronite Christians. They express an overwhelmingly positive reaction to Israel's bombings and report that Israeli bombing is confined to predominantly Muslim areas of Beirut. According to these people, the East of the city and other predominately Christian cities, like Zahle, have not been touched by the Israeli attacks. Though they acknowledge the negative short-term (a few years) impact on the economy, a majority of the Christians believe this will have a positive impact on the future of Lebanon since the influence of Hezbollah has had such a terrible effect on the country."
http://spengler.atimes.net/viewtopic.php?t=235

"Moderate states led by the region's political and economic heavyweight Saudi Arabia lashed out at Hezbollah for starting the recent fight, while hard-liner Syria defended its ally.

These acts will pull the whole region back ... and we cannot simply accept them," Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal told his counterparts, according to delegates who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the meeting.

Hezbollah's attacks on Israel, including the capture of two Israeli soldiers Wednesday and rocket barrages, were "unexpected, inappropriate and irresponsible acts," one delegate said.

Supporting his stance were representatives of Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, he said."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4049315.html

Does anyone seriously dispute that if Iran backed Hezbollah gave up their vicious doctrine of Jihad there would be peace?

Ayatollah Khomeini "Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Islam says:Kill al the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! …… Islam says kill them put them to the sword and scatter [their armies] . . . Islam says whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword. The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other Quranic psalms and Hadiths urging Muslims to value war and to fight. "
Quoted in Amir Tahiri 'Holy Terror, Inside the World of Islamic Terrorism' 1987
Posted by Martin Ibn Warriq, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 2:30:53 PM
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martin,

Finally someone championing the cause of the real 'peaceful' majority of the Lebanese Community, which given their support of Hizbollah does not contain the Shiite (biggest minority does not equal majority) minority.I personally believe that the other parts of the Lebanese community must step up now, or in the near future, to push the Shiite minority into line, or into Syria, their choice. Perhaps the Maronite/Druze minorities could do so, provided with some serious artillery & Aerial support. Their neighbour to the south, has consistently shown it's willingness to attack Hizbollah, and with the exodus from Beirut of the Shia into the Beka'a, a small coordinated push now would see them race into the safe, benevolent embrace of Damascus. God help them if they pick a fight with the Syrian army once they are there, we all know how Syria has treated dissidents.

Perhaps this is the only option that would prevent the otherwise inevitable spiral of the current situation into another civil war, which would suit Syria, who would then come in and pick up the pieces. At least then the international force being trumpeted could safeguard the border between Syria and Lebanon, without the Shia, Lebanon has little to fear from Israel.

Inshallah

2bob
Posted by 2bob, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 2:59:21 PM
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Let's get real, people. Hizbollah launched an unprovoked, premeditated assault across a clearly demarcated internationally recognized border into sovereign Israeli territory. After killing several Israeli soldiers and capturing two more, they initiated an intensive rocket bombardment throughout the Galilee region to cover their retreat.

By any objective standard of law and morality, this was a clear act of war by Hizbollah, which has two ministers in the Lebanese government. Lebanon can’t have its cake and eat it too. It can’t complain that its sovereignty is being violated by Israel, while at the same time refusing to exert its authority in the South, which has been turned by Hizbollah into an extra-territorial terror enclave. If Beirut can't act to prevent its territory from being used as a launch pad for attacks, then Israel has no choice but to do the job. That is what any sovereign nation would do under similar circumstances – Australia included.

Marilyn:

US, UK and Australian soldiers are in Iraq at the behest of the duly elected government of Iraq. Of course, you will dismiss the courage of 8 million people who braved jihadist threats to implement their right of franchise in the first democratic election that Iraq has ever seen. That much is predictable. And the President of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, wants more international forces in his country to fight the Taliban, not fewer. So I guess that you consider Karzai to be a Western puppet as well. Perhaps you would prefer that Mullah Omar remained in power? I wonder what the women of Afghanistan would say about that? You are making even less sense than usual... which for you is really saying something.

Plantagenet:

The C-802 anti-ship missile that Hizbullah used to attack an Israeli naval vessel is a sophisticated weapons system designed in China and manufactured in Iran. Similarly the 13,000 rockets of various types being used by Hizbollah to bombard northern Israel were provided by Iran as well. There is no doubt about Iran's involvement in this. Teheran is in it up to its eyebrows and beyond.
Posted by Ted Lapkin, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 3:35:57 PM
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Frankly, the thing which always amazes me is the *restraint* Israel shows. Those guys have got one of the most skilled, best equipped armies in the world. They could raze the entire middle east tomorrow if they needed too, without even touching their nuclear arsenal. They put up with heaps and heaps of provocation - would any other nation on the planet accept daily rocket attacks without responding?

The Jihadists talk big. They're always talking it up about how big and tough they are, until they begin getting their arses kicked.

For me, the bottom line is simple. I believe that if the Arabic side of this conflict just stopped attacking and antagonising Israel, there would be peace. I do not believe that Israel is picking the fights here - the Israelis are just not going to sit around and get sand kicked in their faces.
Posted by Anth, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 4:02:48 PM
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I would just like to mention one thing, there has been a lot of debate on this forum about who is the true victim here.

Israel has suffered from the rocket attacks against their civilian populations, I understand that.

But those rocket attacks have come from a population that is under occupation, not a sovereign state with clearly defined borders, but a population that is under occupation and has lost its self-determination.

Before all the armchair warriors who,from the comfort of their homes, that they own, condone Israels response they should try and imagine what it is like to have no control over your own country.
Posted by Carl, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 4:19:55 PM
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