Kaep, it's a known fact, pathological psychopaths get more irrational and ridiculous, as their delusional control structure collapses, under the weight of reality. Your post to Celivia speaks for its self.

Celivia, a couple of points, biodiesel production isn't illegal, nor unsafe, It's available from a growing number of fuel outlets around the country and many transport companies use it in various blends. Over the next 10 years, it will be subject to increasing fuel excise tax. It's a growth industry, offering many new jobs without damaging the environment. Unlike fossil fuels which are monopoly owned, it's production and distribution will introduce real competition bringing down fuel prices instead of increasing them. Even when full excise comes in, biodiesel will be much cheaper as it doesn't have to be carted round the world with high processing costs and it keeps our money in the country, not in cartels.

If a producer had a spill of vegetable oil prior to processing, they could either bring in the cows to lick it up, or let it soak into the ground improving the soil. A biodiesel spill, you could do the same with no harm Biodiesel is just vegetable oil without the glycerine in it, slippery but not dangerous. In its processing, you use alcohol and common drain cleaner.

With fossil fuels, before or after processing, a spill is an huge environment toxic disaster.

Biodiesel has a much higher flash point than petro, so its safer. Unlike petro products, you can handle biodiesel with safety, its vegetable oil, not a toxic poison fossil derived fuel.

These links will give you an idea of the difference between Kaep's paranoia and reality, there's many sites giving the same information, none the opposite.

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~yrtg/diesel%20emissions.html

http://www.farmersfuel.com.au/SAFF%20Biodiesel.htm

There are already workshops at TAFE's in biodiesel production and commercial courses.

Thanks for the links, alchemist. I had my suspicions about the ‘facts’ KAEP believes in, because I really couldn’t find any other recent article that supports his view.
The only articles that offer criticism and opposing opinions on biodiesel are usually older articles in where problems are listed that since then have been resolved, so these views are outdated by now.

KAEP your concern seems to be mainly about smog, and it is true that biodiesel produces more Nitric Oxides than fossil fuel, but apart from that, I have read in many articles and reports that cars running on biodiesel ate still much cleaner (80% less CO2) than cars running on fossil fuels. Overall, biodiesel seems to be a lot cleaner and contain much less greenhouse gases.
I know how a certain concern can put you off a new development or new idea, like the concern I had (and still lingering in the back of my head) about the deforestation made me dislike biodiesel too, for that reason.

Still, biodiesel, in my opinion, is really the simplest and most viable solution, as far as I know, for fosil oil replacement because not only will it greatly reduce the release of greenhouse gases, it will be economically viable as you mention- the technique is already there and seems to be working fine, so there is no need for expensive research and development.

I said that the only lingering concern I still have in the back of my head is the growing demand in the future- will governments of the world always look for a cheap option of buying biodiesel from oilpalm plantations (because oil palms are probably the cheapest plant for this purpose) which will lead to more deforestation in Malaysia and other areas? Would we (need to) resort to using extra land for fuel crops otherwise needed for food crops?

to be continued

That’s why I’m hoping to find pacifying facts, for instance, that there are serious plans for a biodiesel industry based on algae. I haven't read of real plans yet. In Australia, a sunlit country, it should be a real possibility- why isn't there more talk or planning about this option?

But overall, biodiesel is really the best solution ‘we’ have come up with so far, isn’t it? The best thing to do is to make it work in the best and less damaging ways we can.

No amount of rudeness, ignorance and industry sponsored snow will save Biodiesel. Its a dead duck because the home brew aspect of the industry is UNREGULATED and DANGEROUS.

All the truth anyone needs is in the NYT article I presented. Dangerous Home Brew is cheaper than properly refined bioodiesel products. People are Home brewing biodiesl as we speak and are putting people's health at risk.

Perhaps that's why Celiva and alchemist have acquired selective reading and comprehension malfunctions.

If posters continue to search and avoid for the real truth about biodiesel and human health I will continue to point that out!

Celivia, biofuel people really worry about land clearing, or using food cropping areas for a larger return. Globalisation is what'll cause this to happen, corporate control's our worst enemy.

We need to cap world population, more and more people have access to machinery, cars and consumer goods, needing more fuel. Ideally each country should provide their own energy and food requirements, then they'd have to work better with the land, as they did before the industrial revolution.

Butanol made from biomass or sugars is a better petrol replacement than ethanol, it's a 4 carbon alcohol, so can be it's used without modifications, this link may help.

http://www.butanol.com/

The problem, the world faces, is we don't have many options, increasingly fossil oil will become dearer and more controlled. We need new transport technologies, based on sustainable supplies.

We don't know why oils in the earth, or gas. It could be part of the planets dampening hydraulic system, keeping the plates moving smoothly. If that's the case, we may be draining the lubricants and end up with massive continent changing earthquakes. This planet has been evolving for millions of years, it may have developed these oil reserviors for stabalising erratic plate and land movements. Now we may return to big cotinental changing quakes, instead of gentle sliding ones.

We've come along way technologically, but we're not using it sensibly, the throw away consumer society we've created is to blame. We don't need economic and population growth, we need technological progress and economic sustainability.

I don't know Kaeps problem, it appears a typical psychopathic outburst. Irrational, bordering on panic, unsustainable deluded claims and the desperate need for the the last word, even if its bizarre.

Currently we're working on building an enclosed system, you drop your feed stock in and outcomes biodiesel from one tap, and butanol from another. The glycerine is distilled to recover the butanol, (ethanol or Methanol), leaving a pure safe cleaning agent.

The waste products brilliant compost. You'll find more danger from the products in your super market than from biofuels, as they aren't marked poison or toxic

Alchemist's problem: it appears as a typical psychopathic outburst. Irrational, bordering on panic, unsustainable deluded claims and the desperate need for the the last word, even if its bizarre.

His own words tell of this problem, Res Ipsa Loquitur:
""We don't know why oils in the earth, or gas. It could be part of the planets dampening hydraulic system, keeping the plates moving smoothly. If that's the case, we may be draining the lubricants and end up with massive continent changing earthquakes.""

In the meantime, the worst offenders of home-brew-biodiesel, the truckies, will be coming home to their children .. to find ... Leukaemia and other autoimmune diseases invading their lives.
And it won't take long