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Pain for poor people in minimum wage : Comments

By Des Moore, published 26/9/2006

Setting a basic wage does more to hinder jobs than create them.

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Steve Madden “You_really_are_a_nasty_little_neo-_fascist:”

And you are a pretentious, left wing tosser,

Now we have the niceties out of the way.

“I believe in giving others a helping hand to improve their lives, you want to trample them into the dirt so you can advance your own pathetic race for wealth.”

Oh how paternalistic of you –
I do not need to trample anyone, if you knew me you would realize how wrong you are but like most know-all socialist busybodies, you arrogantly proclaim to know what is best for everyone else and feel it your right to trample the rights of others into the dust to enforce your know-all view onto them.

As for ““Reality_hasn't_really_intervened_in_my_mother's_life_since_ the_seventies.” - Carol_Thatcher,_Margaret_Thatcher's_daughter”

Let us see what the net has to say about your source, Carol Thatcher

“She (Carol Thatcher) is known to have had an unsuccessful relationship in 1974 with Jonathan Aitken, now a convicted criminal who has served a prison sentence. Her mother kept Aitken out of her Cabinet…”

OR maybe “Dumpy and dull, she (Carol Thatcher) felt overshadowed by her more glamorous brother, whom she believed was always her mother's favourite.”

This suggests the malignant logic of a failed daughter is being projected onto her far more successful mother.

Carol Thatcher has never amounted to much, it is pitifully sad when you bring to the debate the ravings of someone who has achieved nothing as support for your pathetic reasoning in character assasination of a woman who you are not fit to walk in the shadow of.

As for “Has reality ever intervened in your life Col?”

You bet it does – I live with the reality of everyday learning to live with my limitations, enjoying life, doing what needs to be done and not asking for a handout from anyone.

I wonder if you can say the same or are you looking for that social safety net, which seems the best you can aspire to, to help you get your sorry ass out of a hole?
Posted by Col Rouge, Saturday, 7 October 2006 7:50:00 PM
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Col do I remember you saying on a previous forum that you are an English accountant without university training? You really are an anachronism in Australian society. Why don't you return to where you belong.
Posted by billie, Saturday, 7 October 2006 8:23:37 PM
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Col and I have rarely seen eye to eye on topics such as these, however his pompos attitude steals away his basic arguements, which is sad, I don't agree with those arguements, but would defend with my last drop of blood his right to make them.

Col, you are an exceptionally courageous man, with the hurdles you have overcome, and I pay tribute to you, and your sense of responsibility to your children. I know you are not interested that my IQ is 122, that I am totally and permenently disabled from a work related accululated accident, however I make this point. If you are bringing home the minimum wage trying to feed and cloth 3 children, paying rent, and having nothing left, how does one find $600 to accomplish a T.A.F.E. course, when working shiftwork. My wife is studying Nursing Science at university, as she won a scholarship, or it would have been economically impossible.

The cost of the text books alone has meant we have had to cut down to two small meals per day, this is the only way our family will be able to live instead of survive in the future,if Debbie manages to pass the course, if not we will simply exist. All the economic theory in the world is worth diddley squat if you have nothing to eat. Col has been fortunate that his own character has pulled him through, some of us are not built that tough, and need regulation to ensure our family eats. Perhaps if the federal government had spent some of it's $10.8 billion on R&D into solar energy, wind power, hydro electricity the businesses overhead costs could have been bought down making it easier to make a profit and pay minimal wages for services rendered?
Posted by SHONGA, Sunday, 8 October 2006 12:28:33 AM
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So Col is an accountant, what a hoot :)

When was the last time you worked for a wage Col? How many tax minimisation schemes have you set up? Is your car leased through your company? Is your “home office” a tax deduction ? In fact do you pay any tax at all?

I realise that these forms of corporate welfare are perfectly legal, it is just that the PAYG tax payer does not have these options.

Would the lowering of wages be of benefit to you personally? Of course, your clients profits would be higher enabling you to charge more for your services. Once again your motives are based on personal greed.

Col you are not an independent contractor, not even a sole trader. From your posts you are a company director in partnership with another person. I suggest it is in your interest and those of your clients to drive wages to the bottom.

Did unemployment triple under Maggies first two terms of office? Did she reduce income tax and increase VAT effectively benefiting the wealthy?

I also suggest that you have no comprehension of the difficulties faced by those on the minimum wage. If you comment on this issue, as is your right, please do not distort your situation to back your untenable position.

No Col I am not looking for that social safety net, I am living with incurable leukaemia. I am fortunate to have worked hard all my life and now own my own home and car. I am debt free.

I play the hand I was dealt to the best of my ability. Unlike you I help others, I do not trample them for my own selfish, parasitic needs as you do.
Posted by Steve Madden, Sunday, 8 October 2006 7:50:36 AM
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Billie “You really are an anachronism in Australian society. Why don't you return to where you belong.”

I am a naturalized Australian and "where I belong", if you cannot deal with the diversity of our values (yours and mine) it is merely because you have none of your own, I suggest you leave, your absence would not even be noted.

Anachronism, a part of my income comes from developing new software applications used by commerce and a part of government, hardly “Anachronistic”

Steve Madden “How many tax minimisation schemes have you set up?”

None, I do not even do my own tax returns.

How many have you lusted after?

“Is your car leased through your company?”

No, is yours?

“Is your “home office” a tax deduction ?”

No, is yours?

I claim my tax agent costs and computer expenses though, but most of my income is generated through the development and deployment of software in commercial and government run facilities.

Costs incurred in the generation of assessable revenue are assessable deductions, just like depreciation is on a negative geared investment property.

“In fact do you pay any tax at all?”

Oh I certainly do, one of us has too.

“Once again your motives are based on personal greed.”

Oh so quick to assume and ready to categorize to suit your own pet theories and prejudice.

Regarding Margaret Thatcher, If unemployment increased it was because she stopped pork barreling nationalized industries, which the socialists had been featherbedding for years and which cost so much that innovation and development were lost on such a massive scale that the whole national economy was stagnating.

“I play the hand I was dealt to the best of my ability. Unlike you I help others, I do not trample them for my own selfish, parasitic needs as you do.”

You have no idea as to my personal philanthropy or what I do to help others. You are just sad and ignorant, someone who projects his inadequacies by blaming and vilifying those who do not agree or pander to your patronizing views and whims.
Posted by Col Rouge, Sunday, 8 October 2006 12:27:15 PM
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Col
You hit the nail on the head with “Costs incurred in the generation of assessable revenue are assessable deductions, just like depreciation is on a negative geared investment property.”

Why do you use revenue and not income? Is it because being a company director your income is not related to your companies revenue.

A small business I worked for had one employee, me. The business owner paid himself $1,500 per week. He paid his wife $2,000 per week (even though she did NO work for the business) the $800 a week rent on the house was paid by the business ( It was run out of the garage), the 5 series BMW was on a company lease as was the Prado Grande. The full time house keeper and child minder was paid for by the company. All legitimate assessable deductions.

My point is that people in your position have assessable deductions (corporate welfare), people on the minimum wage have very few if any deductions and their employers are more than willing to see them as expendable tools.

Col you never have answered my question about employing people and the fact you are not an individual contractor.

Oh I forgot, one other word to describe you Col, LIAR
Posted by Steve Madden, Sunday, 8 October 2006 2:19:37 PM
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