• Kalin ..."Clearly, the Palestinians have been put between a rock and a hard place"..."This indicates to me that the Islamic nations are not hostile to Israel simply out of their sympathy to the Palestinians, but for other reasons"... Warranting thus to explore anomalous phenomenon, where Jew-cuckoo-nest incubated world rulers seem-to-toe the line obligated by the elders-of-zion. Whilst the majority of the population they-preside-over, being emphatically opposed-to. For the simple reason, because world-leaders are never chosen from the prevailing genome of the populous, they dare-to-allege, to-represent.

However a vision-impaired dill-flock (within the blind-led-blind guide-lines) haven't got any-clue a propos Jew-rulers practiced any kind-of-religions (concocted by Jews anyway). Bearing in-mind that since time immemorial Jew aristocracy within the rule 'by-the-best' impersonated myriad of ethnic-groups via its vastly incubated ari-stock-race sly look-a-likes.

Commonly termed as Western, Eastern, Asian, Oriental, Middle-Eastern, Dutch, Portuguese, French, English, German, American, Aussie, Italian, Irish, Iranian, Spanish, Polish, Czech, Russian, Hungarian, Rumanian, Indian, African, Afghani, Arab (add-any-omitted).

Within the broad-kaleidoscope of religions to-pose as Christians, Catholics, Chaldean Christians, Protestants, Anglicans, Lutherans, Evangelic (Hill-Song), Greek (Russian) Orthodox, Hindus, Muslims (and so forth) in-a-variety of faith wraps to-suit application.

Take-a-deep-breath as difficulty is expected for novices while trying to-associate the particular ethnic-group-people's-image with their rulers or preachers likeness. When not much-in-common was to-be found in transplanted reflections. Derived solely of the-Jew-cuckoo frequented nests. Prominently practised within the terrain of bloody conquests in the aftermath Roman/Spanish crusades. Where even remainder of the scorched-nests were-Jew-cuckoo cross-pollinated.

Well, as-a-challenge for dedicated observer with the propensity in deciphering facial depictions (once-having sufficiently trained-eye), may I suggest to-employ one's acuity to-detect quite a unique kind-of-features. Not-meant for-any derogatory manners acrimony, under racist exploits. In fact our Jew characteristics are fairly redeeming for devoted observer. Don't expect for it to occur overnight, but it eventually to-happen.

For starters, one to-commence observation of non-caucasian rulers or preachers, who amazingly to-be found quite distinct from the populous, they ought-to-represent. Then one to-progress into-scrutiny (obvious to-lesser extent) the caucasian rulers or preachers, embodying as-norm our Jew reflections.

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Sganot:
Continued: "Indig. Australians living abroad...have no right of return to Australia": You're being ridiculous. As Aust. citz they can come and go as they like. They don't need the UN to take up their cause with a 'right to return' resolution. Recognition of native title depends on production of evidence of an ongoing relationship with the land in question, given the 200 year+ nature of the dispossession. Which is more than Israel accords Palestinian refugees who can produce title deeds to homes and lands. Hypocrite!
1) So you believe your own spin? Then you're definitely not a professional spin doctor then, and I unreservedly apologise for suggesting it. The only explanation left is that you're deluded.
2)In my point 2) I was referring to Pal Prop Law - can't you read?
3)Some occupations (such as that of Germany/Japan after the war) are of course not crimes against humanity. But Israel's occupation certainly satisfies the requirement for "acts of murderous persecution". Or are you of the opinion that it's been an enriching & fulfilling experience for the Palestinians?
4)Weren't they colonists? Weren't they armed? Didn't they receive reinforcements? Weren't they part & parcel of winning contol of the land from its people? Killed after surrendering...by Glubb's Legionaires? Not that I can ascertain in Kurzman or Glubb, but of course you'd know better, so sources please.
5) The 41 Iraqi Farhud engineered by Zionists? No, but their role (plus the expulsion of the Palestinians in 48) was crucial in the exodus of Iraqi Jews in the 50's.
6) My citation for the Ben-Gurion quote comes from Michael Neumann's 'The Case against Israel' (Educate yourself - read it!) Here's his footnote: "87 Cited in SEGEV, The Seventh Million p 28. Segev, in turn, cites a Hebrew work by Natan Michael Gelber"
7) Your fantasy about being an indigenous inhabitant of Palestine is only shared by doctrinaire Zionists & Christian nutballs like our friend, Bamboozled.
8)Re genetics see 'The Origin of Palestinians and their Genetic Relatedness with other Mediterranean Populations' by Arnaiz-Villena and colleagues. TBC

It shows that Pals are closer to Sephardic Jews than either population is to Ashkenazi Jews. This is confirmed by Israeli scientists, Amar et al.
9)Yes, you're correct re Israeli Arabs voting, but they were not allowed to form their own parties until the lifting of military rule.
10) I'm getting tired of your claim that Israeli Arabs can buy and lease ILA land in Israel, ie 93% of Israel. As of typing, has the Israeli Arab family of Qaadan been able to build a house in Jews-only Qatzir after all that time spent in the courts? Have the internally displaced Arab Israeli villagers of Birim & Iqrit managed to get back their villages? If not, why not?
11)Is Australia under military occupation? If so, I hadn't noticed.
12)The current mayhem in northern Israel and the WHOLE of Lebanon has been caused by Israel's disproportionate response to Hizbollah's capture of 2 Israeli soldiers. If they'd been swapped for Pals/Lebs similarly snatched, there'd be no such mayhem. Your govt doesn't give a damn about those soldiers or Israeli civilians in northern Israel. It's bent on regime change - in Gaza & in Lebanon - and then onto Damascus & Tehran.

Strewth,

1)Israeli citizens living abroad can return to Israel, just as Australian citizens abroad can return to Australia. I’m not talking about that. You seem to demand something else: That Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens have a right of immigrate to Israel. But the descendents of aboriginal Australians who live abroad and lack Australian citizenship have no such right.

2)Pal. property law doesn’t ban the sale of land to “occupiers” as you claimed; it bans the sale of land to Jews.

3)There are other choices besides “crime against humanity” and “enriching and fulfilling experience”. If you think Israeli occupation is a crime against humanity, we disagree.

4)Re Kfar Darom: Colonists? No. Armed? Certainly. Reinforcements? I have no idea. Winning control of the land from its people? No. And these questions are irrelevant to the conversation; regardless of the answers, it was ethnic cleansing. Yes, despite Glubb’s denials, the defenders of Kfar Etzion were massacred after surrendering. The event is widely known and documented. See the sources listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Etzion_massacre Re the Legionnaires, see the paragraph beginning “The role of the Arab Legion in the massacre is still debated…” But this too is irrelevant. Whether committed by the Arab Legion or “irregulars”, it is still ethnic cleansing.

5) Why would the exodus of Palestinians in 1948 play a “crucial” role in the exodus of Iraqi Jews in 1948-51? As for the role of what you called “covert Zionist campaigns”, the jury is still out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Jews states that “the true identity and objective of the masterminds behind the bombings has been the subject of controversy” and “historians have generally argued against the idea of a conspiracy to increase Jewish registration”, and, quoting Philip Mendes: “Historian Moshe Gat argues that there was little direct connection between the bombings and exodus…”

6) I am right and Neumann is wrong about Segev’s source. And apparently he gives none of the context that Segev provides, since you don’t seem to know it. Not surprising. Misquoting, misattributing, quoting out of context – I warned you about relying on people like Davis; Neumann is like Davis.

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Strewth (continued),

7) You are wrong about this “indigenous” stuff, and you’d know this if you read “The Origin of Palestinians…”, which reports that “archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites…The genetic identity of Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi Jews who now lives [sic] in Israel has already been reported. Babylonian and Roman-induced Diaspora, drove Jews to many parts of Europe, Africa and Asia, which occurred in 587 BC and 70 AD, respectively. Jews started to come back to Palestine during the 19th and 20th centuries. However, religion and close communities have kept Jews relatively isolated from the inhabitants of the countries that hosted them during this long period of time.”

8) “The Origin of Palestinians…” doesn’t refer to “Sephardic Jews”, but rather uses the terms “Ashkenazi”, “Moroccan”, and “Non-Ashkenazi” for groups of Jews included in the study. It finds that “Ashkenazi Jews, Iranians, Cretans, Armenians, Turks and non-Ashkenazi Jews are the populations closest to the Palestinians”. Some of the genetic evidence (HLA-DR-DQ) shows that the group closest to Palestinians is indeed Ashkenazi Jews. HLA-DRB1 and HLA-DRB1-DQB1 show non-Ashkenazi and Moroccan Jews somewhat closer. See Table 3 in the article. The article does NOT conclude that Pals are closer to Sefaradim than either is to Ashkenazim.

BTW, what makes you say this was confirmed by Amar, et al? Can you quote the relevant data from Amar’s study?

9) I don’t know if you’re right about Arab parties being banned under military rule. Could be, although Arab MKs were active in Arab parties associated with the mainstream parties, and in the Communist Party.

10) Yes, Arab Israelis can buy and lease ILA land (that’s not what the Qaadan and Birim & Iqrit cases are about). Here is an ILA report illustrating this fact: http://www.mmi.gov.il/static/HanhalaPirsumim/Beduin_information.pdf

11) Neither Australia nor Israel are under military occupation. Australia was founded by foreigners who occupied and colonized the continent, and whose descendents continue to run the country; an indigenous population founded Israel.

12) We disagree about the causes and purposes of the current violence in Israel and Lebanon.