Alan, you didn’t provide links to the articles. You provided links to your own highly skewed commentary. That’s self-referencing. Curious that you can’t see the contradiction in condemning “moral relativism” while insisting on your own peculiar standards.

Anyway, would love to stay and chat, guys, but I’m off to get my butt waxed for that gay rights poster I’m posing for.

Y’all work on that human compassion ... you know, imagining yourself in other people’s shoes before you judge them. Fortunately the evidence is mounting http://snipurl.com/sc8b that the younger you are, the more tolerant you are. The crusty old bigots are dying out, and won’t be missed.

Which leaves you all with a simple choice: learn some core human values before you die, or go to your graves embittered, irrelevant cranks.

Either way, I forgive you all.

Ciao

JPW, I'm just curious, why are you getting your butt waxed for a gay rights poster? I dunno, I'm not on the anti-gay side, but the internal politics you work with will wonder that means. When are people going to de-objectify their bodies from shallow lust? What does your butt have to do with gay rights? Commodification of your body is not liberation.

Morris Eimma! Please, I need one of your Panadols.

As for you, coach, "so now you are going for the full blown recognition : marriage"

No coach it is called "Civil Union" in the legal system, or have you been asleep? It is not even equal, as no one is talking "marriage" anymore. If you think there is some secret agenda to undermine an institution of family, then you really are parandoid. This is just to stay away from the Church. It seems that isn't even good enough for you. What do you want? Gas ovens now? No, Hitler tried gassing over 15,000 homosexuals in the holocaust, and invented the aversian therapy machine. Yeah, the Cathololic Church loved the aversian theorapy machine. Remember that? The one they invented in Auwshwitz. It was supposed to cure homosexuality, but it failed. Oh yeah coach! You like that, don't you? It never did work, but it was a great form of torture. The catholic church in NSW made 300 referals to this NAZI invention in the 1970s. Not one law suit has yet been tried.

Coach: "What guaranty do you give to main stream “silent” Australia that, decades from now, it will not be something else…err.. maybe outlaw heterosexual marriages? legalising paedophilia? or polygamy?"

It is not up to gay people to guarantee that the Australian Government will do anything at all. None of this other rubbish is the decision of gay people as it is irrelevant and out of their league. Australia might even bring back the holocaust, aversian therapy, or even the Spanish Inquisition.

Outlaw heterosexual marriage? Coach, what drugs are you on? What a preposterous thing to say! You do make me laugh. Silly Billy!

i think this is one of the saddest things I have ever read.
So much hatred and so many nasty, prurient - indeed, almost obscene - comments from those who consider themselves righteous. Psychoanalysis would have a field day with some of this stuff, I imagine.
I have never been able to understand why anyone should care what other consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, or why any human beings should be denied equal civil rights with other human beings. And, as for normal or natural, who among us is completely either of those? And what do they mean, anyway? Once a strong minded, outspoken woman who longed to receive a decent education and have her opinions listened to and maybe even earn the same wage for the same work as a man, was considered unnatural and abnormal. Indeed, those two words are most often used to defend those with power from those without it who want it.
As for gay people bringing up children, well, they always have, of course, just often in miserable lies of marriages, Indeed, my husband, his two brothers and sister were raised by a gay father, none of them are gay but none of them are prejudiced against gays either. having seen how little someone's sexual orientation ( or behaviour) actually matters when measured against their full - and fully human - personality.
Gee it'd be nice to see some Christians actually show some christian compassion occasionally. They seem awfully good at passing judgement, but rather bad at humility, and I thought the ethos of their religion was rather the other way around....

Bosky and all

by suggesting:

a) Homosexual tendencies is 'biological' and
b) Therefore Paul got it wrong in Romans 1

You are also justifying the SAME approach to Paedophiles who claim "I was born this way".

Can you imagine it: a large protest march:

"We are HERE, we are QUEER and we LOVE LITTLE KIDS.. yeah yeah yeah."

"We exist.. get over it, we DEMAND OUR RIGHTS.. etc etc"

"How DARE you discriminate against us in regard to housing and accomodation..WE HAVE RIGHTS"...

sounding familiar ?

Then of course there is the singing dancing 'Village Mob' who show us that sheep humping, child molesting, little sister abusing people are in every walk of life.. aah yes.. we can all relax now.. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE ...

Next you will be telling us all that Jesus got it wrong when He said "If anyone leads a child astray it would be better for him to have a huge stone on his neck and be cast into hell"

And if you are not telling our Lord he was wrong, NAMBLA will be for sure.

The Gay lobby tries to differentiate itself from NAMLBA but they cannot.

For a more entertaining coverage of the issue, refer the relevant episode of SouthPark.

Unfortunately, EVERY ARGUMENT 'for' Homosexual behavior and 'against' the Biblical condemnation is ALSO an argument for incest, bestiality and paedophilia.

Sorry matey, you cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Cheers

Dear Boaz David,
Women are raped by heterosexual men, does that mean that all heterosexual men are rapists? Despite claims by a couple of the more looney feminists, I don't believe this for a moment. And, if we're talking pedophilia, I believe the most commonly accepted statistic is that 1 in 4 girls is sexually molested in childhood, and 1 in 8 boys. This would seem to indicate that most pedophiles are heterosexual men - sexual molestation by women is not unheard of, but is rare, and also tends to be heterosexual not homosexual. It would seem children have much more to fear from their straight relatives and neighbours than their gay ones, in that case. Priests, i'm afraid, being the exception here.
If heterosexuals can distance themselves from heterosexual pedophiles, ( who also tend to believe the children asked for it, wanted it and led them on and feel little remorse), then why can't homosexuals? why the..um..double standard?
this article is about consenting adults having the same economic, financial and legal rights and obligations as a couple regardless of their sexual preference. It has nothing whatsoever to do with child molestation, most of which is done to girls by heterosexually oriented men.

Ena,

Please be aware, Boaz is incapable of rational thought, as are many people on this forum it seems, yourself excluded. I beleive the official statistics are that 90% of paedophiles are in heterosexual relationships and that 85% of child abuse cases occur within the family, yet people argue that discrimination against gays is about "protecting family values".