Most people with AIDS on this planet aquired this through heterosexual sex and most of these are young women in Africa. The theory to justify that AIDS has one orientation is a lie. You are using incorrect data to justify this arguement. This disease has no orientation, it is just that in Australia, gay men are responsible enough to contain it to themselves successfully. Why don't some of you bigots just admit that you just hate gay men and we can all move on to other posts to more interesting topics. You can stay here and rant and rave to yourselves to a lather like a festering bucket of rabid Gollums.

Not that any of you would give them credit for 20 years of behaviour modification. If they didn't do this, we would be just like Africa as it would be uncontained and out of control. You are very lucky to have the Australian gay community, yet all you ever do is bag them, overhelmed by obessive hate.

Some of the arguements are really scraping at the bottom of the Gollum bucket. Desperately parroting the Bible, I wonder if this will go Latin now like an Exocism from Opus Dei? If that doesn't work, distort statistics. If that doesn't work, go back to good old bigrotry playing the blame game. If that doesn't work, attack people personally and make accusations.

I think it is time for Gollum to see a therapist. The topic is on Civil Union for commitment, between two consenting adults in their private lives. It is not about AIDS, the Church, natural selection, and the human population which is growing out of control into an environmental catastrophe.

In terms of strength, Alexander the Great, was no weakling. Neither would I call Leonardo Da Vinci, or Michaelangelo useless. All had homosexual relationships. Useless? I hardly think so. They helped shape western civilization as we know it.

I diverge. Too much diverging on this topic. This is about Civil Union. If you want a posting, stick to the topic without using stupid defamatory comments.

Alan Grey

All sex is risky. That's why safe sex practice is vital regardless of sexual preference.

FYI

Many heterosexual couples engage in anal sex. This has been pointed out to you on this thread before. Take your head out of the sand and your imagination out of the bedrooms of gays and lesbians (not all engage in anal sex BTW), and live and let live.

I'm sure that no-one is as interested in your sex life as you appear to be in that of homosexuals.

Very suspicious indeed.

Perhaps you protest too much.

Scout,
As usual, a common sense approach, refreshing to read, please keep up the good work, I look forwatd to your posts.
Regards, Shaun.

Alan Grey: What I object to are the anti-gay right wing making illness into a moral issue, only when illness affects gays. Gays are the group they don't like.

Gays are as diverse as any other group, and there are no generalizations to be made about a gay lifestyle. Gay people do many of the same things in their sex lives as straight people do, as has been pointed out here many times.

Grey
Your links, such as they were, delt with things like AIDS. I and everal other posters have shown countless times that heterosexuals spread AIDS just as efficently as homosexuals. Do you care? No! Same old tripe repeated endlessly.

Your links also alleged a link between homosexual sex & "Gay men's bowel syndrome" How is that spread? I presume by anal sex. Yet heterosexuals have anal sex too. Do we have straight women's bowel cancer? No! Why? Because the compilers of the report were biased. The same with so many others that you quote. As for your lame crack about the French government - it might not be right wing but many politicians certainly are.

But let's say they are all true for argument's sake. What difference would that make? They would be engaging in activities that endanger only themselves not society at large. Smokers endanger the whole of society more than any of these so called risks yet you wouldn't ban smokers from getting married.

Why the hypocracy Grey.

Oh and by the way I have shown that gay marriages aren't harmful to society by pointing out that several countries already have them to no ill effect. Next time check your facts. But I'm afraid that you & truth have long since parted ways.

Although it's off the topic, and other writers have already pointed out that the overwhelming majority of people with HIV infection in the world have acquired it through heterosexual sex, could I just make the point that the idea that homosexual sex is inherently riskier than heterosexual sex can only be partly true. For at least half the human population homosexual sex is infinitely safer than heterosexual. (Although this is a gross simplification: what people do sexually with each other is pretty diverse in my experience).

If AIDS is God's message about sexual preference, it's a rather confusing one, because he's saying one thing to men and another to women.