Didn’t thought this would be a long post. Reason, DVC is a good book since it introduce controversy. Ppl said that the idea has been out before, well I never knew that and I’m 24. so whoever introduce the idea first, that must’ve been way out of my time. Of course I just started reading some books in 2003, and I can’t recall any blitz of that in ‘90s, definitely had no memory of 80’s. to me, this is a new idea, since the last one should skip 1 generation before making hits like this. Although, you have to admit that some of the theory that he put out was quite suspiciously able to clear out some question (in my part anyway). Although, I do agree that this won’t have any effect on Christianity, it does make ppl exercise their thoughts and questioning a lot of stuff.

Hell = absence of righteousness. so if someone is doing good without converting to christianity, he won't be going to hell right? say the specific example, a person doing good, worship one divine being, without converting to christianity although someone had preached about christianity to him. would he still be condemned to go to hell or perish? you can't really say this is free choice, can you? i'm thinking this is like if i put a gun to your head over an argument that we both agree on the outcome but different method to achieve it and then i say: 'believe in me or perish'. one way but free choice. i know i'd say, 'yes i believe in you', since i'd perish otherwise.

"As the Bible says God is over all and in all things. When we pray we are not focused on a spatial being but upon character of holiness, purity and wisdom."
so we are actually worshipping a divine being that is pure right? then all religion would be the same, isn't it? since they all worship the "divine" being.

then why would there be holy war? from what i know, holy war is to take over jerusalem back from muslem hand by christian troops with the help of england, right? while the one of the 10 main rule from jesus is to love your friends and foes, why would you wage a war? even if you're going to say that the muslem rejected new testament, and insulting christianity, that's not a reason to wage a war that could kill that many souls, is there??

i'll find out about the purpose of life, since what i've been taught from kid time, that god created us to be his equal. not to obey and worship him, which i think i got that taught in church. so i'll find out more proof of this in the bible, since i don't like the idea of god creating us to obey and worship him and then one of His angel turn coat into a devil and tempt us in every possible way. to me it's like making a game, where the character had to had initiate themselves to obey and worship me, do as i said, and i indirectly create a devil to toy with them.

Did bible said jesus was carpenter? I thought his father was, and I also had an impression that he’d be a teacher, due to his talent when he’s 11. I’ll go bold here and preparing to get killed by the reply. When jesus is in the cross, waiting to die, didn’t he question god of why he has to suffer like this? If he is the divine being, why does he need to question that? It is the divine being in the form of human, he is still a divine being, at least in the soul. Why would he had a doubt over himself? And you said that jesus spent the time educating himself about things he later spoke, wouldn’t our creator that took a form as human know everything about this world and all that humans do, as god watch over us

continuin the one before. :)

Kingdom of god, i really wouldn’t have a clue of which is right explanation. Got a few here. So wouldn’t bother mentioning.

QUOTE: “6. In-dan-brown-book, he-wrote-that-companion-in *whatever* language-means-spouse- dunno-about-truth, but-word-does-evolve-through-time

There is no mention of Jesus being married in all the accounts that we have.
Dan Brown in his convincing but fictitious plot, sold a lot of books and raised a lot of questions too. The catholic overreacted (if it’s true that they banned the movie).
But a weak believer could easily be affected by that junk.”

There is no mention of Jesus not being married too. :) and I don’t think that a religion that has that much faith on god should worry about “the junk” affecting their believer. If that is the truth, then the truth shall prevail, isn’t it? Once the weak believer got affected, question their faith, and found the answers, what you get is a new, stronger believer, wouldn’t it? So why the ban? That makes the logic seems suspicious, wouldn’t you agree? Like, why would someone be afraid if they are right? Unless if they’re not sure themselves, or they’re hiding something…

about philo reply of that spouse word, i'd have no comment since i don't know anything about the word meaning and evolveness. i'm just suggesting that the word could evolve. it might also be dan brown's way of proving that his tale was fiction...

Ghouss or-is-it-Ghousss,

You ask a lot of good questions – I’ll try to reply to a few here.

>>If-someone-is-doing-good-without-converting-to-christianity,-he-won't-be-going-to-hell-right?<<

Wrong – Jesus said: “ I am the way, no one comes to the father but by through me”

Say-the-specific-example,-a-person-doing-good,-worship-one-ivine-being,-without-converting-to-christianity-although-someone-had-preached-about-christianity-to-him.-would-he-still-be-condemned-to-go-to-hell-or-perish?

Yes, he will go to hell and perish-why? because no one can be good enough to be in the presence of God in heaven. We are all sinners. Even the most pious person you can think of is not worthy to enter heaven.

The bible says that it is not by our works that we have been saved but by God’s grace and mercy. By accepting God (Jesus’) sacrifice on the cross and making Him the lord of our life, we have passed from eternal death (hell) to eternal life.

Other religions are mostly stuck in sets of rules and laws. Not Christianity. Jesus is the only way for salvation.

>> we-are-actually-worshipping-a-divine-being-that-is-pure-right? Then-all-religion-would-be-the-same, isn't-it? Since-they-all-worship-the-"divine"-being.<<

Wrong again – worshipping a divine being could mean anything. Muslims worship one god Allah. But their religion is completely different from Christianity… there is only one God who is worthy of worship.

>> god-created-us-to-be-his-equal.-not-to-obey-and-worship-him,-which-i-think-i-got-that-taught-in-church.-so-i'll-find-out-more-proof-of-this-in-the-bible,<<

Please find out and let us know.
Maybe you mean “God created man in His image” which is not the same thing as being His equal.

>> When-jesus-is-in-the-cross,-waiting-to-die,-didn’t-he-question-god-of-why-he-has-to-suffer-like-this?-If-he-is-the-divine-being,-why-does-he-need-to-question-that?

On the cross God-Jesus endured all the sins of the entire world, past and future, yours and mine, so we can have access to God again.

Can you begin to imagine what that must have felt like. No one can.
What he said was: “father why have you abandoned me?” which has nothing to do with the suffering itself – make no mistake – it is not he suffering of Jesus that makes us God’s children again; it is the act of taking our sins away.

Since God is pure, He could not bare looking at the sins of the world and “looked away” For the first time God-the-Father and God-the-Son were separated for a few seconds. That was so agonizing for Jesus to be separated (hell) from God that he screamed out.

Ghouss,
To understand what's meant by the NT language we must understand that doing good works does not of itself give us any automatic entry into the presence of God. It's important to understand the supremacy of the right and pure attitudes and behaviour that was displayed in Christ Jesus as Lord, this is the nature of the person that God accepts as His son.

Where we've violated this in attitudes and behaviour we ask forgivness and recognise Jesus character is Lord. The term "In the name of God" means more than just a tag it means in the character and behavioural attitudes of God. It means recognising the true character of God in humanity [Jesus], and in divine actions that empower and bless others [Holy Spirit]. One's a follower of Christ on the basis of that commitment, it's not based in joining a Church.

Though if one accepts the very revelation of God is to be found in Jesus he / she will wish to make the impact of that known. Our worship is not focused in the spatial human body of Jesus but in the character, attitudes and actions he lived - this was the nature of his eternal life. His body was not eternal it was very mortal in that it experienced birth and death. That his mortal body was discarded 40 days after his wounding and his spirit returned to God indicated the importance of the nature of who he was. We worship the pure spirit of who he was and is as the exalted and supreme character. To reject the character and actions as demonstrated by Jesus in itself condemns such a person to the absence of true righteousness - the absence of presence of God.

Quote, "Hell = absence of righteousness. so if someone is doing good without converting to christianity, he won't be going to hell right? say the specific example, a person doing good, worship one divine being, without converting to christianity although someone had preached about christianity to him. would he still be condemned to go to hell or perish?"

He is the god, the only god and by god you'll know it if you if you're not a converted christian.

This OLO site is the work of the devil.