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Jesus was married? So what? : Comments

By David Castles, published 14/6/2006

Dan Brown’s literary meanderings are causing pain to the theological cognoscenti.

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Ghouss,

Having “doubts” is healthy. It is the beginning of inquiry for some. It is when you start agreeing and believing the doubtful that you head in the opposite direction.

1. Why is jesus birth date was on 25th of Dec, when-scientist-claims-that-it-is-not-even-close-to-it-and-not-in-bible-too?

The exact date doesn’t change the fact he was born. Some celebrate Christmas in January.

2. jesus, father and holy spirit is one and the same. so which one do we pray to? or it doesn't matter?

A person can be a parent, a child, a brother / sister, a grandchild, a friend, and a carpenter all at once.
So we pray to God who is our father, and his holy spirit lives in us, and who became man for us. One person – one God.

3. the-bible-did-say-something-about-hell-right? Then-if-our-Father-is-forgiving, why-is-there-a-hell-for? I-don't-think-it-has-any-use-then, would-it? If-you're-going-to-say-that-only-a-believer-would-be-accepted-to-heaven, then-won't-it-be-a-forceful-action?

God by His grace and mercy fulfilled His promise to send the Saviour – the lamb of God – the ultimate sacrifice for our redemption: Jesus.

By accepting this sacrifice as the only way to heaven, the believer is saved from hell.

It is not a forceful act because anyone can refuse God’s help and believe otherwise and perish. One way but Free choice.

4. What is our purpose in life? I-thought-i-read-in-the-old-testimony-that-god-created-us-so-that-we-can-be-equal-with-him, and-i-believe-that-no-one-in-this –orld-would-be-as-equal-as-god.

No one can be equal with God (except the trinity).
Our purpose in life is to obey and worship God.

5. what happened to jesus in between teen-age to his 30s, when he start preaching about christianity?

Not recorded. So a normal carpenter’s life I guess.
Jesus did not preach “about Christianity”. He preached about God’s Kingdom and how people can be part of it by believing in him)

6. In-dan-brown-book, he-wrote-that-companion-in *whatever* language-means-spouse- dunno-about-truth, but-word-does-evolve-through-time

There is no mention of Jesus being married in all the accounts that we have.
Dan Brown in his convincing but fictitious plot, sold a lot of books and raised a lot of questions too. The catholic overreacted (if it’s true that they banned the movie).
But a weak believer could easily be affected by that junk.
Posted by coach, Wednesday, 12 July 2006 2:16:35 PM
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm waiting for Philo's response to Priscillian with bated breath.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 12 July 2006 2:49:46 PM
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I can't wait for Philo to start beating up on me as well.
Until then Mr Ghouss, note that Mr Coach accepts without question the things he is told in the Gospels. Also note his explanation of the Trinity which is entirely non-gospel and a concept that developed well after Jesus time. Mr Coach has learnt his lessons well, probably within some institution like a church or school or other power base and it is sad to see that a healthy spirit of doubt and enquiry has been effectively removed from his lexicon. The dying lamb-resurrecting-redeeming god was a common belief in 1st century Asia minor. Many pagan religions had these aspects. Although this is embassingly obvious the believing Christian conveniently skips over the facts of history and denies bleeding obvious that Christianity is a development of contemporary concepts. I argue that these concepts were brought together by Paul and that Jesus is presented in a way that is in keeping with Paul's beliefs.

Mr Coach tells us that our purpose in life is to "obey and worship God". I have no problem with "worship" as I don't know what this means but "obey" brings up all sorts of problems. Obey what? The Old Testament? Leviticus? Paul? John of Revelation? how does one "obey" contradictory and archaic ideas? Do you interprete yourself or does your religious leader do it for you? Are you allowed to think?

Mr Coach thinks Jesus was a carpenter , I don't know why he thinks this. Jesus and his followers never claim he was a carpenter. I thought Jesus was a Rabbi (teacher), he is certainly referred to as such.

What is "the kingdom of God"? I have never been sure what Jesus meant by this and books have been written on the subject by many a learned mind. The "kingom of God" can be virtually anything you want it to be.

What he says about Dan Brown I have no argument with.
Posted by Priscillian, Wednesday, 12 July 2006 5:18:49 PM
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Finally some interesting comments (and questions - thanks Ghouss... though I'm seeing some self-depreciating moniker there, yes?).

Only 2 points I would like to make at this point:

1. Hell and all-forgiving are definitely at odds. 'Please explain' as that most interesting of politicians once said.

2. The book (DVC) was most boring and I'm still trying to understand the appeal it had - to either the religiously susceptible or any reader of fiction. Really, you could do better for entertainment... some of the commentators on here offer a good form of comedy!

Thanks for some thought provoking comments Priscillian.

Now, over to Philo for some verbal gymnastics (banana peel anyone?)
Posted by Reason, Wednesday, 12 July 2006 6:46:05 PM
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Ghouss,
In answer to your questions:
1. Why is jesus birth date was on 25th of Dec, when scientist claims that it is not even close to it and not in bible too?

The dates found in our calander were placed there much later by Bishop Ussher; he counted backward to events. However the birth of Jesus was actually four years earlier than the calander,i.e. 2010 years ago; aligning Roman history with the accounts recorded in Matthew 2: 1 and Luke 2: 1 - 7. Because the exact day of Jesus birth was unknown, since the Romans already celebrated the birth of the sun on the 25th Dec when they abandoned the worship of the sun to follow Jesus as the Lord they changed the birth they celebrated.

2. jesus, father and holy spirit is one and the same. so which one do we pray to? or it doesn't matter?

God is not defined by spatial images as we understand persons, He is one revealed in character, attitudes, actions and wisdom. The title Father, Son, Holy Spirit in Matthew 28: 19 is a singular name [in the name of, not names of]. God is revealed in paternal sovereignty, in humanity bearing his character, and events of the supernatural. As the Bible says God is over all and in all things. When we pray we are not focused on a spatial being but upon character of holiness, purity and wisdom.

3. the bible did say something about hell right? then if our Father is forgiving, why is there a hell?

Hell is the absence of righteousness and divine wisdom that saves the soul, and those that reject this are already condemned by their choice. The acceptance Of Jesus in not just about accepting his historical existence, it's rather the acceptance that his character, attitudes and wisdom are the very nature of God and the choice to accept them as the saving feature of your life for eternity. Means your past failures are forgiven and upon acceptance of Jesus as the Lord in whose image you will now live your life.
Posted by Philo, Thursday, 13 July 2006 12:20:49 AM
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4. What is our purpose in life? i thought i read in the old testimony that god created us so that we can be equal with him, and i believe that no one in this world would be as equal as god.

The Bible says we were created to do good works Ephesians 2: 10. The pinnacle of doing good works is applying the nature of Christ to everything we do. However we fail and need forgivness and reconciliation. In the frailty of our humanity we are called to bear the image of God: that image was manifest in Christ Jesus. That means being a new person of pure motives, creating a better society and living in a way that enhances others lifes. Loving God with all our mind and being means admiring and adopting the nature of God - as expressed in Jesus the Christ. Christians ought to be at the forefront of all admirable human endeavours and advances.

5. what happened to jesus in between teen-age to his 30s, when he start preaching about christianity?

Actually Jesus did not teach about Christianity, he lived the nature and character of God that is what being Christian means. It is not just believing doctrine it is how we live our life. It is our life for which we are accountable.

We have no record of events of his youth as he had not begun to call followers to him. It was his followers that recorded the events of the three years he spent with them. Some like Matthew and John focus on the last weeks of his life and teaching. What we can say about him during those years is that he spent time educating himself about the things he later spoke.

6. In dan brown book, he wrote that companion in *whatever* language means spouse. dunno about truth, but word does evolve through tim.

The Greek word companion used in the gospel of Philip is "koinonos" and was first used by Aristotle and meant friend never spouse. The Greek word for spouse is "gune", Brown's claim is spurious.
Posted by Philo, Thursday, 13 July 2006 1:20:00 AM
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