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Walking the tightrope with Indonesia : Comments

By Gary Brown, published 11/4/2006

Australian actions which might fuel secessionism are always going to be resented by Indonesia.

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Indonesia’s displeasure is certainly understandable. It was stupid in the extreme to give protection visas to 42 self-interested cowards who fled West Papua leaving the majority of their people to face the brutality that these big-timers (now that they are safe and waving their flag in Australia) claim exists in Papua.

We need the goodwill of Indonesia much more than we need ‘refugees’.

West Papua is not going to achieve separation from Indonesia. Australia has enough pin spots on the map posing as ‘independent’ nations to support already. And Indonesia should be left to work out its own path to a better society.

As for asylum seekers – from Indonesia or elsewhere - the only genuine ones are stateless people, not people who are able to leave their countries while their fellow countrymen have to stay.

It is far too easy for people to decide that they would like to live in Australia without going through the proper channels, thanks to our laughable border ‘protection’, the ineptitude of DIMIA, and an immigration Minister who doesn’t think she is responsible for anything
Posted by Leigh, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 10:44:44 AM
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Our fearless leader said "We will decide who comes here, and the circumstances under which they come" and he has. Johnny Bonsai stumbles yet again......
Posted by SHONGA, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:05:41 PM
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It is interesting that many supporters of the Asylum seekers are ex Anglican Missionaries (not the most politically radical people). These people have witnessed reports of torture and exile in Javanese prisons of West Papuans who have advocated real autonomy and a demand for basic justice in health, education and land ownership. Not all were taking up arms for independence.

A recent visit by an Anglican minister to Jayapura, "The Age-27th March", unwittingly witnessed the atrocities of a Papuan protest rally. Yes, 3 Indonesian policemen were killed. However, many West Papuans including children were also shot. The number of deaths and injured cannot be tallied as the hospital was closed to outsiders.

Jayapura is now an "Asian" city. The Chinese own the shops. The Makassans own the food stalls and the West Papuans are left selling Betel nut on the ground. They refer to themselves as "budak"- slaves to the Javanese.

Leigh, I would not refer to the recent asylum seekers as self interested cowards. I applaud the fact that DIMIA independently accepted these asylum seekers without ministerial interference. If we did not accept them, that would make us the cowards.

Yes, Australia will have troubles in the future with Indonesia, because of the acceptance of these asylum seekers. Yes, there are enormous misunderstandings on both sides as to how each system of government works, as highlighted by the author.

However, to be a good neighbour we should not be isolationist in our outlook or simply appease the Indonesians in solving the present crisis in West Papua.
Posted by Lubis, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 1:24:29 PM
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Let them in, and dont let Indonesia govern any of our decisions.

They have a very short memory and are still on the cusp of the third world, as the monority controls the wealth of the nation.

Your country is only as successful as the standard of living of your poorest citizens, and they fail miserably in this instance, so much so that we as Aussies empty our pockets for them on a regular basis.

Stuff them, cut them off from our compassion, they are ungrateful and disrespectful. It is our decision, not theirs and we determine who we want in our country not them, just like conversely we do not control who comes to their country.

We are flogging a dead horse at least in this generation trying to build relations with Indonesia, as they are disrespectful and dont mind taking your money but on the other hand wont give us the respect to make our own decisions. they landed on our doorstep, not theirs.
Posted by Realist, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 1:51:29 PM
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Well Mr. Hitler, I see you have been elected democratically, and you have invented a spurious claim over a neighbouring country. Having taken that country you are now brutally subjugating the populace and stealing the best lands and treasure for your own people. Meanwhile pretending that you are looking after them as part of your own country.

Sounds ever so similar doesn't it?

We even have the cowards chorus saying "it's all too late", "we can't do anything about it", "they'll stop there, they have all they want", "we have to be their friends".

I don't want to be friends with murderers.

What are we going to do when the Javanese Empire invades New Guinea after they have been "insulted"?

If they continue behaving badly we will have to fight them eventually.

It will be easier to fight them now before they get stronger
Posted by Bull, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 2:04:02 PM
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Maybe it would suit the Indonesians more to get rid of all the original inhabitants then the so called "transmigration" can go full steam ahead without the Papuans nit picking.
But do we in Australia want the entire native population descending on us?
We are already over loaded with "asylum seekers" from all over. A line must be drawn somewhere.
Posted by mickijo, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 2:51:14 PM
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According to Peter King from University of Sydney, the Papuan asylum seekers have been involving in killing security forces in the recent weeks in Jayapura.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1610614.htm

Today's news reports another attack. Those separatis rebels attacked a military post yesterday, left two soldiers dead (buthcered/mutilated), one soldier seriously wounded, and a student shot. Two of the rebels also died in the attack.

Perhaps just like Mr Wanggai and his friends, the rebels who involved in the killing will also flee to Australia to seek asylum.
I guess just as in the case of Mr. Wanggai, many people in Australia will also gladly receive them, won't you?
Posted by Ningtyas, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 3:35:44 PM
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If the Indonesian Gov't is doing the right thing by the West Papuans, where's the problem? I suspect the West Papuans are upset at having their people and countrys' resources raped by a large group of stand over merchants.The Aussie Gov't wouldn't put up with this sort of crap in Timor and yet bows to pressure from these thugs.Of course the Americans aren't helping much with Newmont raping the gold resources nearby.It seems that human rights are fast becoming a distant second to corporate rights, which is expected if you live in China.These simple living people who have survived thousands of years in their little piece of paradise are being subjugated by corporate greed. R I P Democracy
Posted by aspro, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 4:05:12 PM
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Gary..You are amazing. You leave my head spinning here man. What I see in this article is a load of indecisive nonsense. It makes as much sense as your previous article on Iraq. Make a decision Gary.
One minute you fall down at John Howard’s feet , next, while still in that pose , crawl off to Indonesia. Which murderous team will you play with?
Why not also do a suck to the "Poms" with their murderous arms sales to Indonesia. The Yankees likewise. And , of course, Australia, with our joint military exercises with Indonesia, and sale of used weapons, in the time of occupation of East Timor.
Who were the guns bombs and planes aimed at Gary. You are a liar and an apologist for the murderous west.
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 4:56:26 PM
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I find this a thoughtful and challenging article.
Surely as always the obligation of one who would be a friend is to counsel. Here Australia is party to UHNCR and are thus obliged to accept refugees as defined. These Papuans apparently qualify and taking them on temporary visa subject to confirmation is acting legally. The Indonesian’s will have to be happy with that.
Perhaps we should have done as much in counselling America concerning Iraq but then the hype of actions contrary to common decency was very high as was the unreal expectation of annihilation. (we did accept one or two of these fearful people did we not even though they came by passage through other countries, thus showing our compassion ?) Here we have done the same and in the absence of America again seeing Indonesia as a bulwark against or seat of communism, interference is unlikely. As the writer suggests politely pointing out behaviour we do not like, satisfying our honourable moral standing, we can do little else. Though the Consul claiming ethnic or rather muddying ethnic data to suit his case and claiming a democratic result for the act of free choice is a bit much but America has done much more as has the UK (and France Russia and on and on) and we have happily gone along even on occasion offered praise for the stance taken. So I suggest we ramp up the entertainment dial provided by commerce and leave delicate questions to our undoubtedly honest and well meaning superiors!
Posted by untutored mind, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 5:44:35 PM
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Ningtyas, I hope Australia will accept more asylum seekers like Mr Wanggai. Your lateline reference proved enlightening. http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1610614.htm
You refer to West Papuans being involved in killing of security forces. However you failed to mention the following from the same article:
· How Theys Eliay who was to represent a new autonomous West Papua was assassinated 6 years ago by the Indonesian military.(hopes of autonomy dashed)
· Military operations in the highlands have left thousands homeless and an unknown number killed.
· Transmigration from other parts of Indonesia mean Non Melanesians now account for 40% of the population of West Papua.
· HIV Aids is being brought into West Papua from HIV infected prostitutes.

Your selective use of media doesn't fool us! Irian Jaya is dead. It is a new West Papua that must be formed
Posted by Lubis, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 6:47:05 PM
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@Lubis
"You said : Ningtyas, I hope Australia will accept more asylum seekers like Mr Wanggai."

You do? I wonder if many Australians share that belief of yours.
That's why the Indonesian president says, we need to review Indonesia-Australia co-operation on illegal migrant. As an ordinary Indonesian I think the message by granting the visas is clear, Australia is now an open place for asylum seekers, be it from Papua or Middle East or elsewhere.

Come to Australia, everyone! It is open now!
Posted by Ningtyas, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 7:06:02 PM
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Several corrections for Mr Brown:

1) Indonesian take-over of East Timor was "ordered" by US President Gerald Ford and Australian PM Gough Whitlam in order to crush a potential communist state located right across from Australia, ruled by Marxist party Fretilin.

2) Indonesian president Habibie expelled East Timor from Indonesia through referendum, this is 100% Indonesian decision. Eviction of East Timor from Indonesia has NOTHING to do with Australia. Indonesia never had and never will have any intention to tolerate separatism.

3) West Papuans' lingua franca is Pidgin Indonesian, since no native Papuan language has large enough speakers. Papuans have higher Bahasa Indonesian-speaking population compared with many Javanese provinces.

4) West Papuan integration Indonesia is the most legal in the world. Australian Aborigines were never consulted whether they accept white settlement, Hong Kong were never consulted whether they wanted to join China.

5) Australia never has and never will have any role in Indonesian internal affairs, such as regarding West Papua. If Australia tried to meddle in Indonesian internal affairs, Indonesian govt and military will declare war, and in doing this they will have full backing from 250 million Indonesians.

@Leigh:
Indeed these "asylum-seekers" are self-proclaimed separatists who made this journey as a dirty propaganda against Indonesia. These cowards admitted it themselves:

"But they decided against the common solution of slipping across the border with Papua New Guinea. "We have not received any serious international attention by seeking asylum in P.N.G., says Wainggai through an interpreter. "We decided that because of Australia's role in taking responsibility in the Pacific area we would come here."
http://www.time.com/time/pacific/magazine/article/0,13673,503060417-1181678,00.html

These 42 "asylum-seekers" do not represent 1.4 million native Papuans at all. Those who think so are mathematically-idiot. In fact, at least one of the 42, a little girl, was kidnapped by her divorced father from the care of her distraught mother. Now, the little girl's mother and grandmother are demanding that Australia returned the little girl to their care.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/04/08/1553952.htm

Indeed, Australia shelters child-kidnappers and Indonesian enemies. If Indonesia was Israel/US, we would have bombed Australia and send agents to assassinate these "asylum-seekers".
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 7:09:57 PM
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"Well Mr. (name of any white colonizing monarch), and you have invented a spurious claim over a neighbouring country. Having taken that country you are now brutally subjugating the populace and stealing the best lands and treasure for your own people.

Gee..sounds just like RHODESIA and SOUTH AFRICA and.. 'name any country where we whites have set foot, including Australia'

The issue of the killings in West Papua by separatists raises interesting questions about their status as 'assylum seekers' because the U.N. charter on this specifically states that if a person is fleeing a CRIME, they have no political status as an assylum seeker.

If they were squeaky clean and had done nothing illegal except have 'views' which were seen as threatening, then they have status.

PTBI I take you point 1 above as valid.. point 2 is a bit dodgy, I think you are ignoring quite a bit of reality there.. after all, we do have eyes to see with.

You are still terlemas in your nationalism. Lets ALL stick to the facts.

I have grave concerns about the assylum seekers apparently regarding us as their 'supporters in the struggle for independance' by waving their flags as they disembarked planes.. this is quite outrageous on Australian soil and politically/diplomatically highly dangerous.

PTBI, are you not grateful for the Billion dollars in aid Australia committed to , and as far as I know, (within the constraints of legal process) delivered, and for the many 100s of Aussies who gave time and income to help in Aceh during the Tsunami ? Is this nothing to you ?
Not to mention those who gave their actual LIVES in the chopper crash.

Please remember, the next Tsunami might just crash in on YOUR family or on you... we need to be sensitive to our interconnectedness in the human family.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 7:27:10 PM
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Could it be that the main reason the Javanese are so sensitive about separatism is that centralised domination from Djakarta has so little going for it?

Surely, the only legitimate reason for forming a single entity is mutual benefit. And if there are many people who want no part of the "Pax Javanesa" then any attempt to blame outsiders would seem to be deliberate distraction.

The Indonesian Government cannot be allowed to simplify the argument to one of "Australia discouraged other boat people so Australia should discourage Papuan boat people". The earlier boat people were from third countries, they were not seeking the right of first asylum like the Papuans. And we have a duty to provide first asylum while determining if other (particularly melanesian) countries can give them longer term residency.

The Indonesian government should only be given respect when it acts in a way that earns respect.
Posted by Perseus, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 10:34:25 PM
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@Perseus:

LOL, you are full of crap. Indonesia is no "Javanese Empire". Our powerful VP is Buginese, three-quarters of our cabinet are non-Javanese, we have one Buginese president. Administratively, Indonesia is actually the most decentralised country in the world.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/EASTASIAPACIFICEXT/INDONESIAEXTN/0,,contentMDK:20129123~menuPK:381869~pagePK:1497618~piPK:217854~theSitePK:226309,00.html

All ethnicities in Indonesia are treated equally and are equal before the law. We are the most diverse country in the world with 742 ethnic-groups. It is simply impossible for one ethnicity to dominate the country.
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=ID
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 11:15:08 PM
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Proud to be an Indonesian,

Thanks for an enlightening Post informing Australians that
Indonesia is a Federation, or dedicated to be one. Unfortunately West Papua being a former Dutch colonial possession, Indonesia has inherited the problems that went along with colonialism, the permanent need for a large garrison of troops to keep down attacks from Indigines, the legitimate owners of any colonised country.

There is no doubt that the Dutch, as with other Western nations have a lot to answer for, even though, as many argue, Western nations established law and order or moral decency in most non-Western nations.

However, pity, it was first carried on in a big way by the pagan Romans with sword and short spear, then by Spanish Christians putting Aztecs on the run mostly with just gunpowder then on with more modern arms and shot, finally the so-called armies of Christ, subduing millions of unbelievers not counting Islamics, because they are yet to be taken.

Also pity us Westerners while tidying the captured countries up, as well as a touch of military law, achieved what was called the colonial economy, enriching the home countries but not those occupied.

So looking at our pasts, we cannot teach the Indonesians much at all, for indeed with military suppression still on the go in Indonesia, it is really only a copy of what the Brits, and the Dutch, where still doing not so long ago.

Certainly they would have a right to call even us more liberal Christians, hypocrites, so it seems we have a lot more deep thinking to do, even if it might be more than a touch left-wing intellectual.
Posted by bushbred, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 2:54:58 AM
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It is not in Australia’s interest to have yet another failed black state on our borders. PNG is already costing the Australian taxpayer $500 million dollars of desperately needed dollars a year. East Timor $200 million and The Solomons, $50 million.

However much I hate to see a Muslim nation profit from colonial expansion, it is still better for the indigenous people of WNG to be governed by a relatively advanced civilization like Islam, than to be allowed to create yet another trouble plagued black state that holds out the begging bowl to the West while being a source of endless trouble.

I know that the Indos are murdering the WNG people all over the place, but any colonial power has to get tough in order to keep the local yokels under control. As the Boers used to say “a massacre in time, saves nine.” One only as to look at Rhodesia (now called Zimbabwe by the dysfunctional, population) to see the wisdom of that statement. With millions now facing starvation in what had once been the breadbasket of Africa, it is screamingly obvious that the country was better off being run by the whites. As with Rhodesia, so too with WNG and the Indos.

As to the “refugees”. Unless we send them straight back to Indonesia, it is certain that it will provoke another rash of “boat people” who are very happy have an excuse to leave their backward societies and barge into our country where they will create yet another endemic and intractable social problem.

Haven't we got enough already?
Posted by redneck, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 5:18:24 AM
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redneck,

thanks for ruining any credibility we collectively have, your attitude is a great help to our cause.

You are racist champ, a bigut and despite this issue, all you do is make us remember the 1% of baby boomer racists with little ability to see issues without tainted glasses.

We are not going to have a 'black state', we are not going to war to get it, and blokes like you need to feel powerful as you probably have low self esteem as you have been bullied as a kid.

Get over yourself, and change your views. from one Aussie to Another (one that is as Aussie as a pissed digger on Anzac day), you are way off the mark and not a true Aussie.

Sorry all, there are morons in every country remember we can do little about it.
Posted by Realist, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 10:50:48 AM
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Realist, I have always thought the multiculti brigade are the ones with low self esteem who need minority groups to pamper their sorrowful egos with.

Redneck merely made some conclusions based on some facts, you did nothing to counter them. You simply indulged in namecalling and hysterical emotionalism.

Interesting point Redneck, if West Papua is given autonomy from Indonesia will it just end like its 'independant' neighbours as a basketcase. It could well happen.
Posted by davo, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 11:03:32 AM
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Hey Mr Soeharto Man PTBI, did you see what your own journalists said about the Papua asylum-seekers in the April 9 issue of Tempo magazine? Seems like even your most prestigious news magazine agrees that bad stuff is still happening in the land of the Morning Star.
Posted by rogindon, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 9:14:00 PM
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@Bushbred:
Indonesia does not need a large garrison in Papua and West Irian Jaya provinces, there are only 10,000 Indonesian soldiers and police covering an area of France+Benelux, with most of the soldiers deployed along 1000 km border with failed state Papua New Guinea. Compare this with the 33,000 British soldiers required to impose British rule over an unwilling Irish Catholic population in the tiny constraints of Northern Ireland. There are even more British soldiers in Northern Ireland than in Iraq.

@Davo:
Indeedy, an independent Papuan state would end-up as a failed state like its neighbour PNG.

@Rogindon:
Hey Mr Lelucon-man, indeed there is a bad thing happening in Land of Morning Star: barbaric Papuan separatism.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 9:55:57 PM
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PTBI
I heard an interesting interview today.. (ABC) referring to the "National UN sponsored referendum" on the future of Dutch New Guinea in 69.

Apparently the only people who got to 'vote' were 1028 hand picked people.. please correct me if I'm wrong. But it sounds like the UN was just duplicitous with the Indo big wigs to suck West Papua into the Indo fold...

Jangan lupa nasihat yang diberikan mengenai cara mengucap ya... masih lagi sikapmu seperti.. keras lah. Lembutkanlah diri mu sikit ok ?
Perkataan mu bagaikan 'batu yang dibuangkan' .. bukan macam orang dewasa yang berbual
Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 13 April 2006 12:51:04 AM
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Gary Brown , you say, Australia also acquiesced in Jakarta’s rape of East Timor. Isn’t it like 2 dogs fighting over the ‘bone?’ Since Australia rescued poor East Timor, did they not take possession of a wide area of Ocean where minerals are found, within in East Timor’s boundaries, and then set about piping these to Australia, and being generous, gave East Timor a small percentage of the royalties, through sudden pangs of conscience. I could be wrong. Please help me out here.
Posted by ELIDA, Thursday, 13 April 2006 7:43:10 AM
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@BOAZ_David:

Indeed there is no international law that obligates "one man one vote" in plebiscites. Therefore, the limited franchise system of 1969 referendum is readily accepted and endorsed by the UN supervisors. The reason of picking 1028 people is quite clear: after 150 years of Dutch "rule", only these amount of West Papuans were able to read or write, or know what is Indonesia and what is Netherlands. The rest of the population at that time were still living in Stone Age, they don't even knew what is Indonesia or what is "Papua"/"Irian".

If we take comparison, UK elections until early 1930s disenfrachised women. Elections in large areas of US until 1960s disallow blacks. Australian elections until 1970s did not allow Aboriginal participation. Are you also questioning the legality of these clearly racially-discriminating elections and want to annul all the results?
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Thursday, 13 April 2006 9:16:52 AM
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PTBI says "Australian elections until 1970s did not allow Aboriginal participation."

Wow! Wow! Is it true?
Well, on the contrary Papuans always participate in the Indonesian general elections. And we know that the Papuans always make the voting day as if it was a Big Day, a day to celebrate.
How different then, the fate of the Aborigins and the Papuans. I should learn more on this. Does anyone here know a good reading for comparison of the Indonesian Papuans with Australians Aborigines?

I found in the Australian media that the 'genocide' in Papua has killed about 300.000 people. It is a claim, but the media make it as if it is a fact. I also found in an Indonesian website says that the white in Australia has killed about 3 million of indigenous Aborigines in centuries. I do not know which figure is more ridiculous, though.

I wonder why people like Lubis who support independence for Papua would choose Australians to ask for help for their cause. Do they think Australia is the best role model on how to treat indigenous people?!
Posted by Ningtyas, Thursday, 13 April 2006 1:14:24 PM
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@ningtyas:

Indeed, that some Australians have the gall to claim "superior morality" over Indonesia is completely absurd remembering all the genocide and oppression they've committed on Aborigines.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Friday, 14 April 2006 1:26:24 AM
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Proud to be Indonesian

Looking over your comments, we can definitely see that you are proud to be Indonesian.

Are you currently studying or residing in Australia?

We are also proud to be Australian and welcome all who have the opportunity to have a computer online to participate on this Australian Forum.

Women had to earn the vote as well and we cannot all be held accountable for some of histories events. Women and children, no matter what culture you are from, remain the consistantly vulnerable.

We will not achieve harmony by arrogance all round.
Posted by Suebdootwo, Friday, 14 April 2006 2:12:16 AM
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To Mr Realist

I am not sure what you mean by “our” cause. I am an Australian and “my” cause is, the welfare of the Australian people comes first in my country.

Yeah, I am a racist and a bigot, so what? I could point out that everybody else on this planet is too. Even those most ardent in waffling on about the evils of racism are the ones who most obviously despise the entire white race and Western civilisation in general. I really do get a kick out of pointing this out.

Your claim that I must have low self esteem, and that must have been bullied as a kid, is just as big an act of pre judged bigotry as my constant references to black people as generally not being real bright. Get it through your head that everybody makes prejudgements about people from other groups whom they consider to be separate to their own. Your position is a contradiction. You can’t stereotype me and then say that I can not do it also. Hostility to any group of outsiders is fundamentally an act of racism, and everybody does that.

The constant refrain we get from the trendy lefties is that anybody who looks down on anybody else is just a ill educated cretin. Or, in your case, a person who was bullied at school who has low self esteem. But they (and you) can not see your own contradiction. It's like one part of your brains critical analysis circuit is switched off.

If you think that my position on Papua is wrong, then tell me why it is wrong, and I will happily throw it back at you. Just calling me “unAustralian” does not rate as a reasoned argument.
Posted by redneck, Friday, 14 April 2006 7:51:44 AM
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Well said Suebdootwo

Many posters here need to lower the arrogance and increase the communication.

PTBI has made many valid points, however much is lost due to his attacks.

I have no doubt that time will reveal whether Western Papua wants independence from Indonesia or just merely more autonomy in their own affairs.

The sight of the young children and mothers among the 42 refugees hardly fit the picture of 'terrorist' and none appear remotely 'barbaric'.

PTBI should note that one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter - its all a matter of perspective.

History will also determine the kowtowing nature of the Howard government with the latest tightening of asylum rules.
Posted by Scout, Friday, 14 April 2006 7:52:02 AM
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@Scout (Dianne):

That "young children" you saw amongst the "asylum-seekers" include a young girl kidnapped from the care of her mother and grandmother by her divorced father.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/04/08/1553952.htm

Imagine if your little daughter was kidnapped from your care and brought to foreign country where you'll never be able to see her again. Now the mother and grandmother are demanding Australia to return the little girl. I hope Indonesian govt fully backed the efforts of these two women.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Friday, 14 April 2006 12:03:25 PM
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Perhaps they do not really care about the wellbeing of the child, PTBI. I've just read what happened to Abiriginal children in their land! What cruelty it is!
More Indonesians should learn about how the white in Australia treated the Aborigines in their own land. I hope Indonesian media also will educate Indonesians on this, just as Australians media 'educate' their readers about Papuans.

I read another news about that Paulus Samkakay who failed to reach Australia and end-up in PNG instead. His mother did not know why he wanted to go to Australia, his co-worker said he did not show-up for work for a month. And then the truth was revealed in the media. The report says that Paulus Samkakay tried to rape a little girl, but the girl escape and reported that to her father, and the father made a report to the police. So Paulus just wanted to run from a criminal case!
Here is the link, but the report also says Paulus was among the 42 asylum seekers while he's not.
http://www.liputan6.com/view/7,120925,1,0,1144981369.html

By the way, how many of the Aborigines who have become a leader in Australia (PM, minister etc}?
Posted by Ningtyas, Friday, 14 April 2006 12:27:51 PM
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@Proud to be Indonesian and others
The story of little Anike/Anneke Wanggai is really heartbreaking.
http://www.liputan6.com/view/7,120761,1,0,1145019640.html
She's is too small to be dragged into all this. Poor little girl. The Jakarta Post says that according to Siti Pandera, Yunus was an abusive people who once hit Siti's thigh with a machete. He said Siti could not raise Annike unless they cut Annike into two, half for Siti, half for him! What kind of father would say such a thing!
It was Yunus's mother Persila who raised little Annike in Jayapura.
Siti was shocked and fainted when she saw on TV that her little daughter was among 42 Papuans granted visas in Australia. She asked Indonesian government to help her to bring Anike back to Indonesia. She even asked Papuan acting governer to help her to meet President SBY.

And now there is another shocking news. Siti Pandera disappeared just one day before departing to Jakarta! Her parents have reported this to the police.
Let's hope that Anike's mother will be found safe, that none including the rebels would ever harm her. Please pray for her.
What kind a story is this! What will happen to little Anike in Australia?
http://www.liputan6.com/view/1,121117,1,0,1145018383.html
http://www.liputan6.com/view/1,121128,1,0,1145020902.html
Posted by Ningtyas, Friday, 14 April 2006 11:30:09 PM
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@Ningtyas:

Indeed, it is now clear that the 42 "asylum-seekers" are nothing but despicable criminals: child-kidnapper, wife-beater, paedophile, and child-molester.

Let us pray nothing bad happened to the mother who wants the young girl returned from Australia, as we know the barbarism and inhuman cruelty of separatists know no bounds.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Saturday, 15 April 2006 1:48:06 AM
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You made few mistakes in your summary of history,

Jakarta's income is based on its colonial theft and murders, on its theft of Sumatra's & Borneo's oil, of Papua's gold & copper, and so forth. This is the reason it wants to hold on and will twist and tell any lie to try to prolong its colonial abuses.

Indonesia attempted air and naval invasions of West Papua in 1961 and 1962 but failed when the unarmed Papuans arrested the paratroopers and ask the UN to return Indonesian sailors to Java. Its military only go into West Papua after their business partners at Bechtel Inc. and Freeport Sulphur arranged for John Kennedy to be told lies about Jakarta's blackmail that it would become a communist State unless Washington forced the Netherlands to surrender West Papua to Indonesian colonial administration.

Also, the 1969 'Act of Free Choice' was only 'acknowledged' by the United Nations; both the 'Act' and Indonesia's claim of sovereignty to West Papua are illegal and unfounded claims.
Posted by Daeron, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:01:39 PM
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