mangotreeone1: I never said, nor do I "own" a god or the Eternal Creator God. God "stole?" the land from the palestinians? God owns the entire universe why would He steal land from a bunch of pagans? Though eventually this God will move the Israelites - who are the apple of His eye, according to the Bible - to their land then this God will relocate the then God worshipping ex-pagan Palestinians to their land.
We were not created to kill we were created and we did kill. We would have had claws and fangs if we were created killers. It's the blue pills again today!
I approve of the destruction of the pagan mosque or temple err no I don't. God will remove that horrible monstrosity of barbarism I think.
One day we will be one people all worshipping the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Christ Jesus and all foul paganism will have been completely destroyed. numbat

STREWTH – I assume that when you mention your “last question,” you are referring to the myth that Israel created Hamas. But in fact, Israel had nothing to do with the establishment of Hamas. Read its Covenant, which declares that the organization grew out of the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement that arose in Egypt in the 1920s.

Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities and soon developed a reputation for improving the lives of Palestinians, particularly the refugees in the Gaza Strip.

Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of the people through its charitable and educational activities. Its funding came primarily from Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

So as long as Hamas stuck to the social welfare business, Israel allowed it to operate without hindrance. But when they turned to the violent implementation of their genocidal program, then Israel’s tolerance expired.

No stress at all with your question, because it is predicated on an untruth.

Ted, Re your "myth that Israel created Hamas". Don't twist my words. I never said Israel created Hamas: I asked you to comment on the suggestion that "Israel promoted the Islamic movement in the occupied Palestinian territories to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO." Is what I said, as opposed to what you said, "a myth"? Did Israel promote Palestinian Islamism in the 80's or not? And if your answer is yes, please tell us why. In addition, can we agree, as per my earlier post, based on your response ("it shares the same world view") that Hamas is not in "overt alliance with al-Q" or in indeed in any kind of alliance with al-Q? And what about those "global caliphate" and other references to the Hamas Charter which simply do not add up as I have shown in an earlier post? The bottom line is truth, not propaganda. Now get back into that stress position.

If good people all have faith, Judaism and Christianity can win over the evils of Islam. According to news reports today, the Muslim terrorists of ETA have given up their evil struggle. According to Reuters:

'ETA said on Wednesday it hoped the truce, due to start on Friday, would lead to a new path of negotiation and agreement, but some Spaniards said the peace process had a long way to go and that the group broke ceasefires twice in the 1990s.

'Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, who last year offered talks if ETA gave up violence, cautiously welcomed the truce and the possibility of peace after bomb and gun attacks that have killed nearly 850 people.

'"After [almost four decades] of horror and terror it will be a long and difficult process," Zapatero, who has put devolving more power to Spain's regions high on his agenda, told parliament.'

This coincides with the openinig in Seville of the Second World Congress of Imams and Rabbis for Peace, sponsored by Hommes de Parole, a Paris-based peace foundation.

The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, reports http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/695970.html

'At Sunday's opening ceremony, at one of Seville's ancient palaces, rabbis in black hats and coats sat alongside imams in gowns and conical hats, engaging in friendly conversation.

'"I want to break the convention that religion creates problems," said Hommes de Parole founder Allain Michel. "Our object is to liberate religion from its abductors." Several conference participants noted Sunday that the forthright connection between rabbis and senior Muslim leaders takes on special significance in view of Hamas' rise to power in the Palestinian Authority...

'Seville was chosen to host the meeting because of its rich symbolism as one of the Spanish cities where Muslims, Jews and Christians lived in harmony under Moorish rule that began in the 8th century and lasted more than 700 years.'

STEWTH

Your reasoning is firstly flawed and secondly worrysome (because it is flawed)

You seem to be using the words 'in Palestine' to localize something that is clearly stated to be global by direct inference in the other articles of the Charter. That the Israelis even allowed it to be registered, given the content of the charter, either declares them 'stupid' or.. that they were fully aware of it, and used it strategically for a more cunning purpose. I tend towards the latter.

Do you seriously think that because the ALP or the GREENS have a 'local branch' they are not linked and tied to the wider political or environmental goals of the movement?

One could be attracted to the idea that you are an employed propogandist for HAMAS. But I think they would employ someone who's reasoning or strategy would be less likely to crumble when scrutinized.

If the Israelis took a 'divide and keep conquered' approach to the PLO, would that suprise you ? If they can, in the interests of their own surivival keep the Palestinians at each other, rather than united against Israel, as an alternative to open warfare.. they probably chose the course which kept more Israeli's alive.

You seem to be basing most of your argument on one fundamental (but flawed) idea of Palestinians being indigenous to the land, totally ignoring the various empires and people movements over the past 2000 yrs which completely negate such an idea.

You seem to point to specific injustices by Israel, while neglecting similar injustices by PLO/Hamas, which only serves to show that singling out incidents as examples of the basic rightness or wrongness of a geopolitical position is rather meaningless.

-Or ONE state in that area which did not come to 'be' due to war, or does NOT contain minorities who are in some way oppressed by others, and who, if given the chance, AND THE POWER would reverse the situation to become the oppressors rather than the oppressed ?
Humor me.. name one.

Wake up mate, get out of geo-political fairyland.

Booz, I can understand Ted. He has a political objective, however reprehensible and wrong-headed, but you Christian Zionists are off in LaLa Land. Listen, Zionism needs all the help it can get these days, and believe me, you're not helping.