TE “how terribly sad that you are not stepping forward to protect your daughters’”

You do not know me or my daughters, yet you deem to comment on my relationship with them. How haughty and arrogant of you.

I will refer to your post when someone asked me for an example of “sanctimonious humbug”.

I might tell them of your views – they might laugh, they certainly will not consider your view with any merit.

Meg1 “Col, you’re much ‘better’ at ‘slagging’ anyone….”

Oh back to the your lazy mind syndrome Meg1 (see previous posts about repeating the last thing you heard).

As for “Rules can be liberating too Col…when they encourage those less disciplined to show regard and respect for the freedoms and rights of others.”

I for one will not be following any of the edicts of the Catholic Church – would you determine I am less disciplined for that and should be forced to show “regard for the freedom and rights of others” ( and who are these “others” whose freedom and rights are not being respected?


That might be so but there is no reason for you to inflict your Rules on people who you do not know and do not share your particular “obsession”.

Since you do not know them, how can you tell who is “less disciplined” and who are the “others” you are talking about – oh don’t suggest the embryo /foetus is a “person”, the state of “separation” has not been attained which signifies “individual personhood”.

I am happy to present full argument and debate before anyone you want, if you pay my travel and accommodation costs.

As for people behaving like dogs – oh what a twisted view you have of contemporary society.

I never knew to qualify as “human” (non-bestial), required a mandatory set of Catholic indoctrinated frigid hang-ups about what some of us consider to be a natural expression of affection.

LAB - the point of difference, abortion v murder is the foetus is co-habiting the womans body and is not separate, therefore no "blight".

Col - did I hit a raw nerve? I have no doubt that you love your daughters and they you, however, it saddens me that you have no problem with letting the guys they are with "have the milk without buying the cow". (NO disrespect to your daughters intended.)
Living with someone is like being on hold on the phone - you never know if they are going to come back to answer the call. A bit like holding hands looking at each other saying, "I really really like you" but then surveying the scenery just in case someone 'better' comes along and again quickly looking back to the person you live with again saying "I really....." etc etc and endlessly on. No stats on the massive breakup rate of de facto/live in relationships but it is huge.
Why would a woman not think she is worth waiting for? and behave in such a fashion as to ensure she is 'not like the rest'.
"True love waits" and the rewards are plentiful. Just the lack of 'baggage' is enough of a reward.
Step up to the plate, Col, and give your daughters guidance and fatherly advice to protect THEIR HEARTS.

Yabby - how can you fall for the nonsense of no objective truth. Even scientists believe in objective truth.
If you say there is no such thing as objective truth - are you speaking the truth? You can't be as you don't believe in such a thing and so shoot yourself in the foot.
"Morality is always terribly complicated for someone without principles" - Peter Kreeft (Philosopher)

The anti-choice brigade have clearly demonstrated that abstinence leads to (dog)matic behaviour.

Maybe if they were getting a little more action in their love lives they would spend less time telling other people how to live.

Well just a thought.

:-P

“ After reading a book called "The Sex Lives of the Popes", methinks perhaps alot of them didn't have a conscience either :)”
I thought your view was that people should have any type of sex their subjective morality decides and Catholics need to have extra-marital sex. Please clarify.

” Let the church stick to preaching to its flock of believers, who need religion to cope with life, but out of the lives of the rest of us.”
The pressure seems to be for believers to refrain from pointing out the evils of abortion and being true to their beliefs not from stopping non-believers from expressing their views. Many in modern society are victims of a lack of religion to help them cope. It is tough to try to cope without God. Perhaps that explains your unhealthy obsession with the Catholic Church.

” Te, rofl, if somebody came to my house and touched my private parts
or exposed themselves, it would depend on whom it was for my judgement:)”
Fine but would it be okay if it were someone whom you judged shouldn’t be touching? Your joke looks like a smokescreen for a failed assertion.

” I bet your hubby is screwing his secretary. “
That is a disgusting comment. We need a moderator in here.

”As for people behaving like dogs – oh what a twisted view you have of contemporary society.”
Not really some go beyond and some are more civilized but it is the current norm.

”I never knew to qualify as “human” (non-bestial), required a mandatory set of Catholic indoctrinated frigid hang-ups about what some of us consider to be a natural expression of affection.”
What frigid hang up? Catholics legitimately can have as much sex as they want with adults of the opposite sex in a marriage. What is so frigid or restricting or hung up about that?

”Maybe if they were getting a little more action in their love lives they would spend less time telling other people how to live.”

So why would you think that married love life lacks action?

Hi all

Craig Blanch (posted 7:08:06 PM 9/2/06)

Well stated!
(10/2/06)

Martin ibn Warriq (post 7:50:49 PM 9/2/06)

Stand in line, son. I proposed first.

Gee, I can just think of all those times when Helen & I wouldn't be "bon**ng". We'd actually be able to talk & communicate, hold hands or go for a walk. I'd even run - chasing her in the hope that she'd say, "The alarm clock has just rung the second chime."

Woohoo! Close the blinds! Oh, I'm not Catholic. Will that matter?
(10/2/06)

kalweb (post 8:40:34 PM 9/2/06)

Maybe I proposed too early? Could I toss a coin? A female who respects herself, respects her husband, & respects the creation? They're rare these days.

Now all I've got to do is change all the nasty bits pertaining to women from within the Qur'an & Ahadith.

My choices on women? Eany, meany, miney moe .... Tough decision being a man!
(10/2/06)

Yabby (post 10:23:31 PM 9/2/06)

Steady! Having a politician who doesn't give a stuff about the sanctity of life is an insult to yours & my intelligence.

Definition of "religion"? "A belief system." Atheists & Humanists are members of a religion too.

Having a person who is a "capital punishment" freak running the Corrective Services ministry is probably a bigger injustice. I just hope that you never are convicted for a capital offence sentencing when you are innocent of the crime.

The foetus didn't do anything wrong! Why punish it?
(10/2/06)

Cheers all