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Minority religions and secular states : Comments

By Syed Atiq ul Hassan, published 1/2/2006

Syed Atiq ul Hassan argues even if a society claims to be secular the majority will dominate: religiously, culturally and socially.

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In Australia, settled and built, largely by white Christian people, we have many freedoms and we have welcomed many different races and religions, most whom seem to find their 'special'place in society...except for people of one religion who never give up trying to make their will felt by the rest of us.
We have freedom to worship or not worship, the freedom to do all legal activities.
We also have the freedom to leave this country if we do not find here that which we are seeking.
I would recommend any one who is dissatisfied leave as soon as possible.
Posted by mickijo, Saturday, 4 February 2006 3:36:06 PM
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Philo, you of course forget, that it was the wisdom of Gorbachev, understanding the failings of the Russian economic system, who brought it down. Not religion.

Yup there are fundamenalists in South Korea. Even Rev. Moon :)
Stop confusing religion and politics.

"That is why Christianity refuses to accept as lifestyle the decadence and abhorrent behaviours of a modern anti-god society"

Umm, well Osama bin Laden and his ilk think that you lead a decadent and immoral lifestyle! Different holy book, same principle. The relgiously obsessed are the real danger to our society, as they throw reason out the window and follow their dogma as the ultimate truth.
Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 4 February 2006 3:59:05 PM
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Alchemist,
Please do your homework before correcting me! I assumed you were well informed on world affairs. With figures like this: "South Korea's overwhelming majority is Buddhist and Confucianism. Christians make up less than 10%."

http://www.maps4free.com/map-of-south-korea.shtml
Religions in Korea: no affiliation 46%, Christian 26%, Buddhist 26%, Confucianism 1%, other 1%.
Christianity is the fastest growing religion in Korea they have an active Christian Political Party, polling 28% of the vote.

Quote, "This is an incredibly false statement, as I've seen a bible going back to 1565, printed in Holland and have one printed in 1742, a sea captains bible which includes marriages, death sections. Gutenberg produced the first moving type press in 1452, 65 years before the Reformation."

Since Bibles were first compiled they were hand written and chained to Church pulpits. Bishops and Priest never read the Bible they were indoctrinated in Roman Catholic beliefs. No common uneducated citizen ever read the Latin so implicitly believed whatever the Priest told them till Priests began rejecting Roman Catholic doctrine; for example John Wycliffe 1329 - 1384, known as the morning star of the Reformation, translated the Bible into English from the Latin Vulgate 1380; and the known Augustine Monk Martin Luther 1483 - 1546 rejected Roman Church doctrine. These men were the foundation of the Christian Reformation movement.

William Tyndale in 1526 gave the English people a press printed English version of the New Testament translated from the Greek. The first printed book was Gluttenberg's Christian Bible, whereupon William Claxton in 1474 introduced printing into England and Walter Chapman to Scotland in 1508.

The fact is what was assumed to be Christian had nothing resembling the teachings of Christ. So to call it Christian is not more than fictitious fantasy, it actually characterised Roman control of a syncretism of pagan religions that was called "Christian". There were some genuine Christians under the umbrella of this State Church as there was only one religion allowed and it was controlled by the State. However these Christians were underground movements as for them to speak up placed their life in danger of heresy
Posted by Philo, Saturday, 4 February 2006 10:39:22 PM
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Alchemist,
Facts about Christianity in Korea from:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+kr0081)

"Given the great diversity of religious expression, the role of religion in South Korea's social development has been a complex one. Some traditions, especially Buddhism, are identified primarily with the past. Buddhist sites such as the Pulguksa Temple and the Sokkuram Grotto in Kyongju and the Haeinsa Temple near Taegu are regarded by most South Koreans as important cultural properties rather than as places of worship.

Confucianism remains important as a social ethic; its influence is evident in the immense importance Koreans ascribe to education.

Christianity is identified with the modernization and social reform of Korea. Many Christians in contemporary South Korea, such as veteran political opposition leader Kim Dae Jung, a Catholic, have been outspoken advocates of human rights and critics of the government. Christian-sponsored organizations such as the Urban Industrial Mission promote labour organizations and the union movement. New religions draw on both traditional beliefs and on Christianity, achieving a baffling variety and diversity of views."

Some websites put the Religions in Korea as: Christian 49%, Buddhist 47%, Confucianist 3%, Shamanist, Chondogyo (Religion of the Heavenly Way), and others 1%.

http://workmall.com/wfb2001/korea_south/korea_south_people.html

Religion
Christianity in Korea (35%) and Buddhism (23%) comprise South Korea's two dominant religions. Christianity initially got a foothold in Korea during the Japanese Occupation, then in the 1970s and early 1980s grew exponentially, and despite slower growth in the 1990s, caught up to Buddhism as a significant faith. Presbyterians (with around 6.5-7.8 million members), Roman Catholics (2-3.8 million), Pentecostals (1-1.7 million), and Methodists (1-1.4 million) are the largest denominations. Statistics have been published purporting to show that almost 50 percent of South Koreans are Christians, but these figures are almost certainly inflated, due to the high incidence of dual membership and unrecorded transfers of membership among different denominations. Christians, although well represented in all parts of South Korea, are especially strong around Seoul, where they comprise about 50 percent of the population.

http://south-korea.kiwiki.homeip.net/
http://atheism.about.com/library/world/KZ/bl_SKoreaReligion.htm?terms=korea+statistics

Worth a look: http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=167
Posted by Philo, Saturday, 4 February 2006 10:42:38 PM
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Syed,

I read your article twice. Interesting stuff.

Where I live in Sydney it is 90% non-whote so I guess by your theory the arabic and asian writing on shop fronts is shall we say "normal". They are after all the majority and lets face it without them I would be speaking japanese now.

I'm of the opinion that a certain vicious wicked faith wants to take over Australia. That won't happen so I guess us good ole Christians will run the show because we are the majority.

I know most people don't go to church, most are pro-choice etc. There is another thing you should know. Most people in this country don't like muslims.

Your article states the obvious. The majority rules.

There is a difference between Christian and islam majority. Christians are followers of truth. It's not about 72 virgins. That by the way is interesting. The virgins are to lay there and cop a pounding. Are the virgins flesh and blood? Human by any chance. Androids? Do they cooperate or is it forced? VICIOUS AND WICKED!!
Posted by FRIEDRICH, Sunday, 5 February 2006 7:11:48 AM
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Philo, regarding Korea, I admit getting that wrong. That was a tongue in cheek statement to see the reaction. The statistics I used come from the 1970's and shows us how fast the insidious mental illness, monotheistic religion is spreading throughout the gullible world. Dragging us further into religions aim of world conflict and a final solution, in the hope that one faction wil overcome all other factions and rule the world.

Rather a bent philosophical approach, but understandable considering the veracity of your faiths claims and its unchanged approach over the last two millennium.

However your statement, “the Roman Church failed to read the words of Christ as that privilege was denied Roman Christians by their Church till the last 100 years as Clerics only read the scriptures and interpreted them to the Roman Church.”

Your subsequent post supports my saying that it's a false statement. Then maybe you got the years wrong, and it wasn't until the last 100 years, but the last 500 years.

Philo, most non believers can easily handle being wrong and are prepared to admit they are fallible, as is all existence. I don't mind being wrong, as it means I need to learn more. I'd hate my philosophy to be right for all, as it would mean the complete mental breakdown of billions of religious people, I'm not that selfish to wish that upon anyone.

But monotheistic belief systems, refuse to be wrong as if they admit it once, their entire belief system collapses. Sadly, the only way monotheistic religion can survive, is by trying to ignore their history, blame others, or lie.

A religion, it's adherents expression and history is what defines it, not what its adherents say.

Religions contain free speech as much as they can selectively, because freedom to speak freely, means that the truth is presented. With religion, and most ism's, they don't stand up to scrutiny historically, literally or in their application. They all are suppressive, dictatorial and dangerous
Posted by The alchemist, Sunday, 5 February 2006 9:49:30 AM
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