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Male-bashing : Comments

By Peter West, published 20/1/2006

Peter West asks why the Australian media is so hostile to men.

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Thats all well and good Scout if, what these mothers wanted for their sons, was for them to be rich with money.

I personally dont care if my son isn't rich with money. I just want my son to feel secure, validated and happy. At the moment he feels targeted, victimised, bullied and he wants to withdraw from society.

Thats what the system is doing to our children. Some react inwardly, others outwardly - but they all react. It is obvious that the men are crying out for help and they need understanding, protection, support and assistance.
Posted by Jolanda, Saturday, 21 January 2006 9:20:03 AM
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Peter West makes a good point, but it is just that "A POINT", and it's fair argument, but it is not one that most serious men would take any notice of, we will leave that nonsense to others and get on with it, we don't get all tied up in knots worried about ads that portray a man getting whacked over the head, instead we laugh and thinks it bloody funny, we are already know that the world is full of this crap of poor me and the pc brigrade.

What us men really do need to be more invovled with is raising/teaching our children, and give the boys especially, their masculinty and sense of worth back,and yes I do include girls in this scenario as well because they have been damaged just as much as the boys have, we have to teach them to respect themselves but to do that they have to first respect others, and here I'm talking about old fashion manners, and while many will deride the importance of manners in todays modern society, I believe manners or the lack there of are the platform from which all other behaviours sprout.

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Posted by VGC, Saturday, 21 January 2006 10:00:49 AM
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To give a quick example, I once coached a u/6football team that had equal numbers of girls and boys, . Out of a group of 12, 8 came from single parent families, from the outset behaviours where horrendous, but using some old fashion discipline( this included being a big scary male and raising my voice, which will be I gotcha moment for a lot of you won't it ?)), the kids behaved really well and so the year went on and we had so much fun and laughter but always with strict discipline of behaviour, and to my amazement not one parent pulled a child from this team, which if you had seen the faces of some of the mothers to begin with, if looks could kill I was history, anyway 2 games before the season ended I got an emergency transfer with my company and was give notice on the friday that I had to be in another town in 4 days time, so the next day at the kids game after they played I sat them down with all the parents and told them what a privilege it was to coach such a great bunch of kids, but unfortunatly I had to leave quite suddenly, the pandemonium that followed took me really by surprise, kids where crying asking me not to leave, mothers where crying saying I made such a difference in little johnny life to the point where he was better behaved and was getting better school results etc.

This will sound to many that I'm blowing my own horn, but really I can honestly tell you that I was deeply shocked and saddened that what was once such normal behaviour was now so radical to bring this emotion out, these kids are screaming for proper guidance and discipline in their lives, if we address this we might be able to stop so many kids suiciding, I for one will be still trying to make a difference.
VGC
Posted by VGC, Saturday, 21 January 2006 10:08:24 AM
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The dynamics in the battle between men and women are, always have been and always will be COMPLEX.
Individual war stories abound but can never encompass the complexity involved.
All we know is that in these sob stories, at the end of the day there is a cost to government services and that governments seek to minimise those costs.

A few cases:

An angry man beats his wife ... the government has to pay police and other services to intervene. The answer: they make divorce easier so the family assets can quickly be dissolved to cover the cost of further intervention.

A mother 'accidentally' loses the rent 12 weeks in a row leading up to Xmas. The landlord duely evicts her and at the tribunal the landlord is castigated and told to wait another 6 weeks before eviction can complete. The government does its duty to the mother and baby, and the landlord pays the price. The landlord finds a wheelie bin full of methadone bottles when she leaves. He will never again rent to a young woman on welfare.

What do these and all other gender conflict stories have in common? You guessed it, it's all about money. Federal and State governments sacrifice trust, justice, equity, familiies and our very social fabric itself in order to keep their budgets in the black. Two things come out of this:

1. Women are expensive to keep. They WILL on average have about 2 children each irregardless of any man or men. If men have been put off formal relationships by government injustice, they are no longer paying. The government solves the problem by employing more women. This delays them having children and hopefully prepares them to shoulder more of the family cost.

2. Men lose jobs in favour of women, are economical to support on welfare and thus lose power in the social fabric.

Women see this as a sign of victory. Today the office, tomorrow the WORLD!
Posted by KAEP, Saturday, 21 January 2006 11:41:45 AM
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Scout

The income differences between men and women in regard to average wages and salary, and levels of wealth, are bleedingly obvious.

What these statistics obviously highlight that men 'receive' more money, the question really should be asked about on who the money is being spent.

To give an example, on a per capita basis, even excluding obstetrics, more money is spent on women's health than on men's. If men started going to the doctor as often as the government and media extolled them to the system would collapse.

Men die younger than women and most women are still younger than their husbands and partners. This is important, because in most cases the available funds left to older couples are insufficient to support two people. The surviving partner, in the vast majority of cases the woman, lives off the efforts of the now dead husband.

Most men couldn't give a damn about a big house. They would be happy to live in a smallish glorified shed, with just enough convenience to be slightly comfortable. Large homes with luxuries are generally to try to keep the woman happy, who the husband will in turn hope to keep him happy.

When married couples break up after a marriage of, say, more than 10 years, even without children, it is the wife who generally receives the bulk of the assets, the normal split being about 60/40 or 70/30 and it doesn't matter who contributed what. It should also be remembered that something like 70% of marriage break ups are initiated by women. This is not to see that this is not justice, but it does highlight that income means nothing, its outgoes that matter.

In the absence of the need for hunting animals for food and protection against tribal depredations, the role of the male has been reduced to that of income earner and 'soul mate'. But men are not good at the task of emotional support; we are not brain wired that way, which leaves us to be living wallets, often without the benefits that marriage and relationships used to provide.
Posted by Hamlet, Saturday, 21 January 2006 11:49:24 AM
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Hamlet, if your future prediction ever becomes true it will, ironically perhaps, be due to the efforts of very intelligent males.
(who mind you will still be required to advance our civilisation, a task which requires more than just the ability to breed)
Posted by HarryC, Saturday, 21 January 2006 12:53:11 PM
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