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Who does it for you? Aslan or Jesus? : Comments
By Mark Hurst, published 23/1/2006Mark Hurst compares Aslan with Jesus: the lion with the lamb.
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Posted by Donnie, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 3:27:09 PM
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coach, true that I never really new Jesus or God. If Jesus lived he is long dead and the christain God does not exist so in hindsight no chance of knowing either. Probably safer for you to assume that I did though because if I didn't then no one can be confident that they do. I'm not going to spend this post going through the history, rather accept that my "faith" was evangelical, born again etc, etc.
I do hold that if the body behaves badly the head is responsible. The god I believed in was a lot more that a traffic light, I'm surprised that your god is so small. I tend to see the situation more in the lines of a company where large numbers of staff are clearly corrupt/rude to customers etc, the management knows about and fails to act. An isolated employee doing the wrong thing where the management is not in a position to know about it is one thing but clearly that is not the case for the christian god. True that I have no further interest in bending the neck to your god, your god does not warrent my respect or submission. Strange that people who seek God within other cultures generally come up with different answers, perhaps you could reflect on that for a while. The false images of God pushed by the church certainly encourage people to put more confidence in the Father God than is warranted. Maybe rather than assuming that bad parenting cause me to reject God you could consider that I discovered that the heavenly father would make one well known tennis players father seem like a role model of sanity and good parenting. Have the courage to face the fear and see your God for what he is and move on from it to the healthier life that awaits outside of his twisted control. Sorry to all the christains who find my comments to coach offensive and who choose not to push your religion at others. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 4:07:21 PM
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As philosophical historians, we feel it is important to remind those who talk of the Enlghtenment as a progressive advancement of Christianity, must realise it did not have nmuch to do with faith or revelation, but the powers of reason first introduced to the West by Muslim scholars actually peddling what was known as Aristotelian insight.
Although St Thomas Aquinas did produce a huge thesis on this event, it seems our Holy churches have deliberately left it out of their sermons no doubt because the truthful facts that it was ancient Greek philosophy passed on by Muslim scholars who lifted Christianity out of an ever-deepening pit of despair as far as the future of our earth was concerned. It is thus that many philosophers, not necessarily Christians do believe that Aquinas, despite his Sainthood, should also be regarded as one of the greatest of all philosophers. From the point of view of Schools of Humanity, it is also deeply important that during the late 18th century, the German Christian philosopher, Immanuel Kant, wrote a similar thesis to that of Aquinas, the churches neglecting it also because it advocated using reason as a balance to faith - as well as proof that there really is an Almighty God. Kant, incidently was the great thinker who saw the need for a democratic Federation of Nations in a growing progressive world, so much scorned these days unfortunately by Americans, as well as by many of our Online contributors Posted by bushbred, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 7:08:21 PM
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Kaos
Before i became a Chistian i had absolutely no idea that i had no freedom in my life nor did i recognise the fear that was becomming rampant. the Fear does not come from a fear of God but a fear of the unknown, how will my life pan out, what will my future hold, what will happen when i die. Fear is a deep seeded concern for how the future will turn out. Yes i agree that many religions, including some of those within Christianity have pushed the 'fear' button in many people hoping that will stir them into being good people. Problem is we can never be 'good' enough. and that is the very message of Christianity. we are not expected to be Good enough, but to trust in the one who was good enough who bridged the gap for us. It's impossible to be the perfect person that is required to relate to God, which is the very reason He died in our place. The one thing that seperates the Christian faith from every religion in this world is God dieing to get to us, and not us killing ourselves to get to Him. Problem is, as simple as that sounds it's too difficult for many to comprehend. Thats why Paul, the ex-pursecutor of Christians come apostle, said 'Gods wisdom is foolishness to men' and that 'Christ will be a stumbling block to many' With respect to "documents" you refer to to get your information. do you think that its intelligent to trust a document that was written at least two hundred years after the event rather than the documents that were written within the life times of those who could refute the information written? By the way, the very reason for the fall of man was their ridiculas belief that they could be 'as gods' your 'Chi' is only a deceptive and temporary feeling that does not give lasting peace, that can only come from the genuine article. A person who is genuinly born again has a permanant peace. dont be decieved. Posted by edi, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 8:06:26 PM
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Robert how dare you!
Do you think you have a monopoly on Job like railing against God? Have I cursed God? Yes, but I'm not proud of it, I don't display it on bulletin boards. If you understand Scripture you'll understand what Jesus meant about sinning against the Holy Spirit (retreating to sub Christian ways of thinking) Maybe some prayer might be an antidote to that infernal voice you think so highly of. Gird up your loins like a man. Posted by Martin Ibn Warriq, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 8:18:42 PM
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Bushbred you scare me. ‘We’ who is we? Some cabal of truth monitors scanning the posts for accuracy? You speak as if you are a professional philosopher/historian but clearly aren’t. Your latest is a cobbling together of popular anti-Catholic pseudo-intellectual theories.
The idea that the Middle Ages was a period of negative growth of Europe is nonsense. Rodney Stark’s book The Victory of Reason: How Christianity Led to Freedom, Capitalism, and Western Success is required reading for you bushbred. Quoting from an excerpt http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=tqm4xd5mqkk5px43d968m19qmf4w3g5y “Tertullian instructed in the second century, "Reason is a thing of God, inasmuch as there is nothing which God the Maker of all has not provided, disposed, ordained by reason — nothing which He has not willed should be handled and understood by reason." "Christian faith in reason was influenced by Greek philosophy. But the more important fact is that Greek philosophy had little impact on Greek religions. [And rather than reason the] superiority of introspection dominated all of the other major world religions." "The rise of capitalism also was a victory for church-inspired reason, since capi-talism is, in essence, the systematic and sustained application of reason to com-merce — something that first took place within the great monastic estates [beginning in the 10th century]" ". . . the West is said to have surged ahead precisely as it overcame re-ligious barriers to progress, especially those impeding science. Nonsense. The success of the West, including the rise of science, rested entirely on religious foundations, and the people who brought it about were devout Christians." "Belgian scholar Henri Pirenne noted a large literature that 'established the fact that all of the essential features of capitalism — individual enterprise, advances in credit, commercial profits, speculation, etc. — are to be found from the 12th century on, in the city republics of Italy — Venice, Genoa, or Florence.'" And I could go on. The silly theories you parrot, like you, are intellectual pretense. Your anti-Americanism won’t fare much better. Posted by Martin Ibn Warriq, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 8:24:52 PM
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The Christian overtones wont deter me from seeing Narnia though. I enjoy a bit of religious themery in my movies, as it's always good for a bit of philosophical ponderings and introspection. I watched The Mission for the first time the other day, which is a great film that raises a similar question of to fight or to love, J.C is well represented there.
Another good argument would be whether Neo from The Matrix is a good representative of Buddha, although I haven't read anywhere if Sid Gotama was a martial arts expert so Neo might win that one.