GZTan-you don't read my posts, there are several times you have assumed and have asked questions that if you read my post you would know the answer.

If you had followed my thread from the beginning then you would know my point is that christians are no better than others and it isn't healthy their religion believes others to be 'wicked', 'evil' and destined to suffer in hell/the pit for all eternity based solely on them not being chrisitans. As you have not followed the thread from the beginning of course you have missed the point.

It is unfair of you to criticise other faiths/non faiths to the extent you do and then when your own faith is criticised with precisely the same sort of behaviour to hide behind 'the world politic is very intertwined and complex' shades of 'God moves in mysterious ways'.

I appreciate you don't know where I am coming from but if you will not even read my last post properly let alone the entire debate you cannot possibly understand 'the perspective' so cannot comment on whether it is lost.

You mention Pol Pot and then say I have lost the perspective when I mention the history of the Middle East? I don't like having a discussion with someone who insults me for doing **precisely what they do** with the exception that I have been more specific with my information which I did because what happened in the first world war and after is not as well known as what happened under Pol Pot.

You comment about me talking about things that happened in the distant past was posted straight after a post from me that mentioned the Bush Regime, including the use of depleted uranium-which is hardly the distant past-see you don't read the posts.

I have only brought up the atrocities that christians have committed in answer to christians posting that other religions have committed atrocities. ONLY. Including you.

Saying 'rant' is just needling

I believe the point of discussion/debate is to learn something. To that end I fill my posts with historical information, discussion of ancient texts, introductions to other religions and world views, discussion of archeology and of scientific research and appreciate it when others do the same.

There were some other non-Christians that took this tack and I learnt interesting things from them and a few of the christians, Martin in particular and Boaz_david did bring up some references that were interesting and contributed to the discussion.

I am a vegetarian and have been for years but even so I am not stupid enough to not acknowledge that all life forms can only sustain if they consume other life forms-although there is also an equal need for as many life forms to survive and prosper for the good of all at the same time.

The point is not to destroy life at all but to minimise the destruction and maximise the survival of all equally and to be respectful about it by not impacting on others in a greedy manner. Any government/business/religion/world view that makes certain people very rich at the expense of the poverty and deprivation, war and brutal subjugation of others does not follow that rule.

No matter what else a religion may say, if it says that others are evil and destined for torture and death then that religion is encouraging it's followers to treat others as enemies to be destroyed and supressed. Your own arguments about how evil others are and then your complete sidestep when it is pointed out that Christians have done the same is proof in point of the one-eyedness it encourages.